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Chassis_slappin_1200 |
Posted: 2006/12/20 23:01 Updated: 2006/12/20 23:01 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2006/12/14 From: whakatane, but most of the time canterbury NZ Posts: 158 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 now that you say that you have confused me and i was the 1 talking to him. I thought he just swapped the head around but having a closer look the ends of each bank is slightly different. hmmmmmmmm. i will try and find some more pics I have to see whats goin on...
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woody |
Posted: 2006/12/21 1:12 Updated: 2006/12/21 1:12 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2006/9/24 From: bathurst nsw Posts: 580 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 if you have a look dodgeman one of the engines is turned around. i can tell by the side of the inlet manifolds, the bolts on the heads are in different positions and so are the cam gears so there you have it now they will spin both the same way and run off one center crank. and the block looks different so that has been swapped around all that just from observation 
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Posted: 2006/12/21 1:16 Updated: 2006/12/21 1:16 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 2003/5/8 From: Perth W.A Posts: 1382 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 is that plate at the back for the bellhousing?
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Chassis_slappin_1200 |
Posted: 2006/12/21 1:36 Updated: 2006/12/21 1:36 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2006/12/14 From: whakatane, but most of the time canterbury NZ Posts: 158 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 yea i have a better foto sumwhere but i cant find it. There is a whole bunch of hole drilled in it to pick up the bellhousing bolts. I really do have to try and get hold of the guy who is building it and have a really good chat. build cost was apparantly around 20k. sounds expensive but compared to a 70k motor from a name brand for this speedway class its relativly cheap....
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kegs |
Posted: 2006/12/21 7:05 Updated: 2006/12/21 7:05 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 2003/1/5 From: campbelltown (sydney) australia Posts: 1802 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 if u would look closely the engines ARE opposite directions if they were the same way the throttles would be on one side, so this will work fine.
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Dodgeman |
Posted: 2006/12/21 11:36 Updated: 2006/12/21 11:36 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 2003/6/27 From: Southern Tablelands N.S.W. Australia Posts: 8287 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 Kegs is right. There are two engines here & in order for the induction to be in the middle, & exhaust to be on the outside of this newly created powerplant, it is necessary to have one engine mounted the opposite way to the other, & this is what has been done.
This means that when you look at the crankshafts from one end [any end] they will rotate in opposite directions, as I had writen in my previous post. If a shaft is laid down the middle, as it looks like it will be, it can not recieve drive, either gear or chain drive, from both cranks as they are running in opposite direction.
Each of these engines has an output end of the crank, & in this design, it has one of these at each end of the composite engine. [see photo] If the output end of one crankshaft is given a 1 to 1 gear drive to this central shaft, & the other end is given a 1 to 1 chain drive, then it will work, but the chain needs to be kept free of slack, & some carefull phasing to ensure that all cylinders fire an equal rotational distance apart will be desirable.
With this system you could make the common shaft [the flywheel shaft?] rotate in either direction depending on which end has the gear drive.
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phunkdoktaspok |
Posted: 2006/12/21 12:23 Updated: 2006/12/21 12:23 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 2002/9/23 From: Posts: 2809 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 4 gears is all that is required to spin the centre crankshaft off both motors. It can all be set up at the same end of the V8. No chain drives required. Although a chain drive isnt exactly technical - these 2 motors run accurate cam timming by chain, Same with the A series.
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racinaround |
Posted: 2006/12/20 21:31 Updated: 2006/12/20 21:31 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2005/12/9 From: Florida, USA Posts: 141 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 As I look at this, though, it looks as if there is a bearing cradle at the rear of the block and a bearing at the front of the block. Makes me think that there is a single shaft to go in there and mount the flywheel and clutch to.
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mad120y |
Posted: 2006/12/20 22:24 Updated: 2006/12/20 22:24 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2004/4/14 From: Posts: 371 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 Yes there must be a plan for a center crank. And i would imagine this would be gear driven from the 2 motorbike cranks So in total 3 gears with the center crank spinning the opposite way if that makes sense 
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racinaround |
Posted: 2006/12/20 15:02 Updated: 2006/12/20 15:02 |
Just can't stay away   Joined: 2005/12/9 From: Florida, USA Posts: 141 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 I was thinking all wrong. One of "my" engines would have had to turn backwards. Dodgeman has it right.
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Dodgeman |
Posted: 2006/12/20 19:43 Updated: 2006/12/20 19:43 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 2003/6/27 From: Southern Tablelands N.S.W. Australia Posts: 8287 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 If the left side rotates, lets say, anti clockwise, then an imaginary flywheel would be rising on the part closest to the centerline of this engine. The right engine would rotate the other way with the imaginary flywheel also rising nearest the centerline of this engine.
If these 'flywheels' were instead, equal sized gears, then they could be linked directly to each other. If a driveshaft was coupled to just ONE of these two crankshafts, then it would provide an output that just might work. It would be an asymetric output, but an output none the less.
Judging by the common crankcase, it looks like he has something else in mind.
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___1200ute |
Posted: 2006/12/20 13:35 Updated: 2006/12/20 13:35 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2006/8/19 From: Brisbane Posts: 280 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 I thought i looked like it would have had two cranks and something joining them but as has been said, the rotation of each looks like they would be opposite so it would have to be fairly complacated unless one of the motors was setup up to spin the opposite way to which it normally would. 
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___1200ute |
Posted: 2006/12/20 6:15 Updated: 2006/12/20 6:15 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2006/8/19 From: Brisbane Posts: 280 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 Any info on it.
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Chassis_slappin_1200 |
Posted: 2006/12/20 6:23 Updated: 2006/12/20 6:23 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2006/12/14 From: whakatane, but most of the time canterbury NZ Posts: 158 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 They guy is claiming around 300 horses on a rough tune at around 11000 with redline at 13500. It is two seprate crankshafts which drive onto a common shaft then out to a gbox. dunno what box he is gna use. I only spoke to him for a little while. It is an awesome little motor tho. the engineering is superb.
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killer1200 |
Posted: 2006/12/20 10:42 Updated: 2006/12/20 10:42 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 2004/5/28 From: Adelaide, South Australia Posts: 1817 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 He should have made better use of the space that he has with the manifold.
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mad120y |
Posted: 2006/12/20 10:59 Updated: 2006/12/20 10:59 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2004/4/14 From: Posts: 371 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 I think they look like totally stock carbs/manifolds, so on the bike they have to be tucked up like that.
I'd be interested to see the crankshaft setup. It certainly is a good piece of engineering.
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Dodgeman |
Posted: 2006/12/20 11:19 Updated: 2006/12/20 11:19 |
No life (a.k.a. DattoMaster)   Joined: 2003/6/27 From: Southern Tablelands N.S.W. Australia Posts: 8287 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 How does he plan to couple the two cranks to a common shaft since, as the two engines are facing opposite ends, they will be rotating in opposite directions?
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possum1200 |
Posted: 2006/12/20 11:25 Updated: 2006/12/20 11:25 |
Home away from home   Joined: 2006/6/6 From: Melbourne Posts: 497 |
 Re: Howd u like this siting between ur 1200 actually no ive confused myself
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