Im crrently working on the internal moulding now for where the dash bolts to the steel frame ,got me buggered how pac are able to sell a hard dash are they for racing purpose only ,are they street legal .id hate for my dash to cause injury ,maybe they sign a clause stating the use ,I want to do the write thing and help people with my parts not injure people for a profit

Air horns arent legal for a car, Kmart still sells them.
I am sure 120fly agrees that a little rethinking is producing an even better product.

Ok Lads ive had abite of drama during the week the bloody bugger of a mould got stuck up on the plug .I bit of damage was caused to the mould but was repairable and i will be making one out of glass for a demo ....Also today was a good day went to my resin supplier and recived a few demo packs of glass and oddsnsodds....
The best thing he did was some pour foam demonstrations and i was able to pick a foam for the dash boards ...
the foam imgoing to use is a 2 part foam
its exactly what mtsubishi use in ther dashboards at the moment....
and its also paintable ,

whats the chances of getting on for LHD and what would shipping cost to the states?

Can't wait to see the finished product. I've got three dashes at the moment and although all of them are in good nick they all have slightly warped dash pads (damn that aussie sun). I'd love to have a nice straight one and the pour foam idea sounds great.
P.S. Have you got any further with the moulded door panels?

The foam crash pad sounds great.
If you build a QUALITY product, you should be assured of success.
Keep with it.

As for LHD dashs i havent really thought of them (SORRY ).....thank you all for your patience It has been along haul and the road has not ended .the next test will be testing a foam dash durability eg leavinit in the sun to see if it cracks warps and what ever the aussie sun has to offer ..
As for the moulded door trims people have been using the original handles and really havent done much more onthe subject and people have been fitting the 6inch speaker pods to the kick panels cheers

Im hoping they will be around the $200 area once i work out my rates and material.
I still have to make the internal areas where it bolts to the frame ..Even though ive spent over 30 odd hours on this alone .I cant see people paying over 200 for a dash ....the glove box panel still has to be made it will have datsun in the top left hand corner these will be extra at about 30$ or a basic flat panel will be supplied at no extra cost Im also going to supply the round dial facias for the dash once a mould is made .the round facias will also be made avalable in carbonfibre .Unfortunately I have to get a mate to do the carbonfibre work as he has rolls of it and has the contracts for riviera and mustang making there carbon dash panels so i will be putting people who want carbon fibre parts onto him in the future

Lookin real nice, keep up the good work!!
Have you got a 1200 to try the fit, once you have one made?

Make note that hard dashes ( no crash pad ) is defectable.

Phunk, a 30 year old dash, even in good nic, is as hard as no crash pad, so you could just tell the cops its original.

Plus, when has anyone admittedly headbutted a 1200 dash
(while drunk or working on car does not count)

You can always say " Oh I bought it like that "
And if you oneday crash and your passenger or your mate to whom you lent the car, ends up as a vegetable as a result of head injuries.
Feel free to use the same line.
Everyone can make their own decisions.
But its still a good idea to notify things to the unknowing.
Make note that a 30 year old dash might feel hard, but it will still collapse in an impact.

If your head it the dash you couldnt have been wearing a seatbelt. Windscreens arent collapsable and your head would probably hit that to. You can spend your whole life worrying. Sure, dont risk your safety blatantly but there is a point where you are overcautious and this is one of them. Id happily ride in a 1200 with a noncallapsable dash. The whole car is collapsable. A 1200 is not the type of car youd want to have any sort of crash in. They a soft. Youd more than likely have the engine in your face than the dash.

Basically, Phunk, stop been such a negative cu*t.

Phunk, you had some thoughtful input, very good, but it might be an idea if you don't post again on this forum until you've been laid.

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Giving advice is being negative now is it?
I guess that the part that everyone wants 120fly to make and I am trying to get hold of for him, is another way that I am being negative also?
So Whitesedan and Freak or should I say kiddies? I dont think ADR's were created just because some guy was worried.
They were created because Australia has Design Rules so we have quality. Only a kid would think he is invinsible and think he has more commonsense than design engineers.
And whitesedan maybe go through puberty and then when you become a man I will take your so called apology as reality.

Ah mate, calm down, i apologized, only a grown man would accept anothers apology. Sort of like accepting a cold beer after someone has spilt yours.

I dont understand why you think I have a reason to be moody from my comments
You have shown your colours for today. Are you moody? is it that time of the month?
Like I said. Become a man and then this grown man will accept your so called apology as reality.
If you feel you are already a grown man, maybe think first and also dont judge like a child would.
Until then, my world still turns like normal.

Snow white has aids,The threelittle pigs are in jail for sex offences.Red riding hood is pregnent with the wolfs baby.Goldilocks is a lesbian .Rumpelstiltskin smuggles drugs and jane is beating the #### out of barbie because Ken is gay and gave Tarzan a blow job.Now hiedi and ciderella are involved in a syndicate giving the smurfs pills in exchange for wild group sex ! so things are pretty stuffed up in fairyland
Time for a chuckle

All chuckles here!! Hey and its nearly Xmas!!
Phunk no hard feelings man, check your pm.

Forgive my ignorance, but how is it that a fibreglass dash in a car from the 70's is illegal when compared to dashes from other australian cars from the same era. I know most are plastic but they are as hard as rocks. And dont even get me started on what hotrods are allowed to get away with. It is about time "street machines" were allowed the same latitude as "hotrods" considering they serve the same purpose.

Vex maybe look at when the ADRs were created,
Look at which vehicles are affected by the ADRs,
Look at these said to be plastic dashes and see their actual construction,
Look at what guidelines apply to vehicles that came with specifics even if not required by ADRs
Look at how these vehicle must still meet these same or better standards that original made with.
Look at what guidelines apply when you begin to midifya vehicle.
Can you see a picture appearing now?
ADR21

hahaha, nice..did you get my avatar i fixed up for ya?

Yeah got the avatar champ send me your address again please i have some more fotos 4 you .Yeah vex that hot rod stuff im right there with ya on that one .Datto chick is checking that scene out and whats viable for the future. I think it may have to do with club rego and show cars. And that the cars can be driven only for show and club events Im sure they would have a clause or a statement on regards to whats allowed under certain curcumstances ...........

Yeah, it would be great to be allowed some leeway for a "weekend" cruiser. I actually like ADRs that make a car safer, but sometimes it just seems to be over the top. In a limited market like the 1200 dash, my concern is that meeting these regulations will mean it won't be cost effective to make.

Hence why dash restorers etc specialise in one thing.
And why not many companies out their conduct left to right drive conversions.

I dont think im invincable at all. I just face facts. If you have a big crash in a 1200 id think your chances slim. In other words you'd be f***ed.

Phunk you to bring alot of knowledge to the forum and make some very good points aswell as contribute well to threads. However you are constantly bringing down good ideas and anything a little out of the ordinary. Thats what the idea of this site is. To share you knowledge an experience. You my friend are a hindrance. You make everyone think twice before they share what may well be a very good idea.

Back to topic- I thing the centre facia could be modified as well to suit aftermarket oil/water/amp guages etc. That would look great as well as be very functional.

Cheers

I dont know why I am bothering to reply to your post.
You show that you are very narrow minded.
Yeah a big crash in any small car will be bad.
My advice to you is, go to any TAFE college and ask to see the videos shown in the First Aid part of any trade course. Hopefully your views will have matured when you see the results of vehicle crashes when the vehicle is only travelling at 40kph and hits a stationary object.

Now show me any thread where I was a hinderance.
Yeah I express views to hopefully make people think twice.
Think twice act once. Measure twice cut once.
Think of the big picture. A young bloke buys a part, fits it and then gets himself into trouble. Either through physical injury or through registration.
Now think about 120fly when he sells a part to anybody. Think about what he is liable for. A simple second thought during product design or a simple warning placed on the product will help greatly in this situation.
You may think this is hinderance on my part. But not adding to thought is an act of stupidity when you see a problem.
Its like seeing a hazard in the workplace and either doing something about it, or turning a blind eye.
As you mature, your mind will focus on the big picture, not just what it wants to see.

Maybe think twice about your posts, that way you too can contribute well to threads.

mmm
phunk 1 - Freak 0
sorry man im with phunk, i really really hate over cautious people too, but like phunk said Measure twice cut once. personally i wouldnt have a problem with it, but i can see how other people might.

those first aid videos are not cool....YUCK *shudders* my teacher put on some crash test videos from the 70's and i must say, in a low speed crash at about 30kph any head + dash = Not good

Ive seen the TAFE videos and i know they are not pretty sites. Yes if 120fly was to sell them it would be in his best interest to make them 100% legal and if not would need to clearly state that they are not roadworthy leaving it up to the buyers discretion. Hell it could even be worth it to indent,plate or ingrave a warning just to cover your arse that little bit extra.

Its not your original comment that i even picked on. That was a very valid point. Modifying cars is one thing that i believe is impossible to make 100% legal and safe. Im sure you, yes maybe even "you" phunk have done something that compromised someone elses safety that you have not warned them about. Something minor even that is still dangerous. If you let your mate or the person you sold it to drive the car wether you warned them or not unless in writing basically means sh1t anyhow.

Ands it not been nieve or one minded it been realistic. You must be every bit as mature as me. You replied and as you say you dont even know why you bothered. Ill tell you why. Its called retaliation. You insulted me every bit as much as i isulted you if not more and the ball just keeps on rolling. History repeats itself again phunk.

Sorry 120fly about going off topic.

Dude you have lost me now.
I just reread through all your posts in this topic and I cant pinpoint what it is exactly you are trying to say.
Besides trying to attack me for what ever reason. Is your main point to say - who cares lets just make ####box death traps and try and drive them. Is that it?

Great posts.
They say ingnorance is bliss.
Like Oprah said " You Go Girl "

I am done. 120fly knows where I stand and has noted my point of view and taken it onboard.

Here's the deal.

If you modify a vehicle in any way so that it no longer meets the relevant registration requirements, which of course include the applicable Australian Design Rules,.... & the vehicle is subsequently involved in a collision that results in an injury or even death, you will find that you will wear a lot more than a few bruises.

If a third party [passenger] is injured, & the insurance company wipes your insurance for non compliance with the policy [the car will be roadworthy & in full compliance at all times] then the injured third party has no other option but to sue the owner/ driver of the vehicle, & thats when you see mate against mate & brother against brother. It need not matter that the non compliant component was not responsible for the injury, or crash, as long as it provides the excuse to wipe your insurance, & trust me, insurance is a 'just for proffit' business & they will screw you over at the drop of a hat.

If the manufacturer of a non compliant part sells it without making it clear that it is for 'off road use only' then the manufacturer of the said part may also find himself looking at a lawsuit too.

There is a lot more to this car game than just making it look good & go well.
IF, on the other hand, the component is enginer certified with a 'type certification' certificate [test & certify the first one & every identical copy is also certified] then everything is cool.

Those pain-in-the-arse engineers are really much more the motorists friend than most of us give them credit for & be thankfull that you don't share the road with some of the cars that I have seen in the US.
Think twice,... hell, think thrice, then act once.

120fly
I hope that your dash comes out the way you want it, & I hope you sell plenty.

BUMP
The dash is coming along well spent the weekend working on it ...Im now in the process of layng up the mould . hope to be able to make a dash by the end of the week
and post some pictures

120fly...lovely work would love it for racing. I have found the original dash iquite light though. It would look really good in carbon fibre though!!!!

Very true indeed about that phunkdoktaspok. hard dashes dont save lives Im also looking at doing the dash in foam with a glass reinforcements to make them truly safe. I know in previous post ive stated otherwise but i have to be realistic and work some way of using a pour foam for the the dash to comply with the design codes and road regulations .......

Too true, i guess you have to look at the safety aspect, if only because of getting yourself sued. Now i feel quite ignorant actually. My apologies to phunk, even though you are moody.