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Category: Engine Electrical System

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-	Datsun 1200's A12 engine uses a traditional type of starter motor with a [[wikipedia:Bendix gear|Bendix gear]] drive. The [[Aftermarket]] Bosch starter motor is far better the the orgiinal specification Datsun 1200 starter. The newer Datsun starter by Mitsubishi from [[B210]] or [[B310]] is good too and will fit the Datsun 1200's A12 engine.	+	Datsun 1200's A12 engine uses a traditional type of starter motor with a [[wikipedia:Bendix gear|Bendix gear]] drive. The [[Aftermarket]] Bosch starter motor is far better the the orgiinal specification Datsun 1200 starter. The newer Datsun starter by Mitsubishi or Hitachi from [[B210]] or [[B310]] is good too and will fit the Datsun 1200's A12 engine.
		+	= Identification =
		+	A-series Engine Starting motor (hitachi or mitsubishi)
		+	<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20813 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/20813.jpg]
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		+	* If you place the solenoid at the top (12:00 o'clock)
		+	* The bottom bolt will be at 6:00 o'clock
		+	* The top bolt at 1:00 o'clock
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		+	L-series
	= Part Numbers =		= Part Numbers =
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-	= Upgrade =	+	Reported interchange: All A-series. Auto or Manual.
		+	<br> - 23300-H0100, 23300-H6901, 23300-H0101, 23300-H6903
		+	23300-08700, 23300-H5003, 23300-H0510, 23300-H6904, 23300-18000,
		+	23300-H5004, 23300-H0511, 23300-H7300, 23300-18005, 23300-H5010,
		+	23300-H3900, 23300-H7301, 23300-18015, 23300-H5011, 23300-H5000,
		+	23300-H7302, 23300-18016, 23300-H6900, 23300-H5001, 23300-E3000
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	= Reduction Starter =		= Reduction Starter =
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	Details on fitting this to a Datsun 1200 are needed. Can it be done?		Details on fitting this to a Datsun 1200 are needed. Can it be done?
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		+	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20811 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20811.jpg]
		+	<br>23300-H9100
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	* The overrun cluch (drive gear) can easily be replaced		* The overrun cluch (drive gear) can easily be replaced
	Otherwise, replace with a new, rebuilt or good used unit.		Otherwise, replace with a new, rebuilt or good used unit.
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		+	== Check Gear Teeth ==
		+	* Check gear teeth for nice, consistent chamfer, as shown here.
		+	* Teeth worn flat with destroy a good flywheel (and vice-versa)
		+
		+	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20815 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20815.jpg]
	== Testing Overrun Clutch ==		== Testing Overrun Clutch ==
-	If your starter "whizzes" just after the engine catches, the Overrun clutch is almost for sure bad.	+	If your starter "whizzes" just after the engine catches, the Overrun clutch is almost for sure bad. If you do not replace it, eventually it will wear so much it free spings, instead of turning the engine.
		+
		+	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20814 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20814.jpg]
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	# Remove starter from engine		# Remove starter from engine
	# With your fingers, turn the small drive gear.		# With your fingers, turn the small drive gear.
	#* It should smoothly turn one direction		#* It should smoothly turn one direction
	#* It should NOT turn at all the other direction, not even a little bit		#* It should NOT turn at all the other direction, not even a little bit
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		+	== Check Bushing ==
		+	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20812 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/20812.jpg]
		+
		+
		+	== Brushes ==
		+	Remove the brush cover or end cap. Inspect the brushes. Although you can buy new ones, it is a heavy-duty soldering job to replace them.
	[[Category:Engine Electrical System]]		[[Category:Engine Electrical System]]

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Revision as of 05:02, 15 November 2009

Datsun 1200's A12 engine uses a traditional type of starter motor with a Bendix gear drive. The Aftermarket Bosch starter motor is far better the the orgiinal specification Datsun 1200 starter. The newer Datsun starter by Mitsubishi or Hitachi from B210 or B310 is good too and will fit the Datsun 1200's A12 engine.

Contents 1 Identification 2 Part Numbers 3 Interchange 4 Reduction Starter 4.1 PitRoad Reduction Starter 5 Service 5.1 Check Gear Teeth 5.2 Testing Overrun Clutch 5.3 Check Bushing 5.4 Brushes

Identification

A-series Engine Starting motor (hitachi or mitsubishi)

• If you place the solenoid at the top (12:00 o'clock)
• The bottom bolt will be at 6:00 o'clock
• The top bolt at 1:00 o'clock

L-series

Part Numbers

Nissan Part Numbers

B10 Hitachi (2-brush)

• 23300-18000 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI 5114-87 B10
• 23300-18005 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI 5114-87K (ISO threads) B10 interchages with 23300-18000
• 23300-H0100 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI 5114-87L B10 supercedes 5114 models

B10 Mitsubishi (3-brush)

• 23300-18010 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V1R B10
• 23300-18011 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V3R B10 interchanges with MW-V1R
• 23300-18015 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi 206-893 (ISO threads) B10 interchanges with MW models

B110 Hitachi (2-brush)

• 23300-H0101 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87M B110 manual transmission
• 23300-H3900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156 B110 automatic transmission

B110 Mitsubishi (4-brush)

• 23300-18015 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V3R (Same as B10 part number)
• 23300-18016 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V5R (from 72-5) supercedes MW-V3R type

B210 manual transmission

• 23300-H0101 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87M B210 A12 M/T
• 23300-H5000 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87P B210 A12 (from 73-6) M/T
• 23300-H5001 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-160 B210 A12 (from 74-4) M/T (4-brush)

B210 Automatic transmission

• 23300-H3900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156 B210 A12 A/T
• 23300-H6900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156A B210 (from 73-6) A12 A/T
• 23300-H6901 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-163 B210 (from 74-4) A12 A/T (4-brush)

Interchange

Strict interchange:

• Manual Transmission
  • 23300-H5000, H5001, H7301 (Hollander 1217)
  • All Sunny 1971-1979 Manual Tranmission
  • (what about 1980-1982?)
  • What about Datsun 1000?
  • Hollander 1395 fits if you swap the drive gear
• Automatic Transmission
  • Part number?

Reported interchange: All A-series. Auto or Manual.
- 23300-H0100, 23300-H6901, 23300-H0101, 23300-H6903 23300-08700, 23300-H5003, 23300-H0510, 23300-H6904, 23300-18000, 23300-H5004, 23300-H0511, 23300-H7300, 23300-18005, 23300-H5010, 23300-H3900, 23300-H7301, 23300-18015, 23300-H5011, 23300-H5000, 23300-H7302, 23300-18016, 23300-H6900, 23300-H5001, 23300-E3000

Reduction Starter

1977 Canada models and 1978-up USA models used an optional Reduction gear starting motor with increase torque for easy starting in sub-zero temperatures. This is also a good upgrade for high-compression engines. On the B210 it requires a different right-side engine mount.

Details on fitting this to a Datsun 1200 are needed. Can it be done?

23300-H9100

PitRoad Reduction Starter

Pitroad for 1971-1973

For 1974-up utes, cut a bit of the right-side tower like this:

Service

Starter parts breakdown for original (2-brush) Datsun 1200 starter

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• The brushes can be replaced with a large soldering iron
• The overrun cluch (drive gear) can easily be replaced

Otherwise, replace with a new, rebuilt or good used unit.

Check Gear Teeth

• Check gear teeth for nice, consistent chamfer, as shown here.
• Teeth worn flat with destroy a good flywheel (and vice-versa)

Testing Overrun Clutch

If your starter "whizzes" just after the engine catches, the Overrun clutch is almost for sure bad. If you do not replace it, eventually it will wear so much it free spings, instead of turning the engine.

1. Remove starter from engine
2. With your fingers, turn the small drive gear.
   • It should smoothly turn one direction
   • It should NOT turn at all the other direction, not even a little bit

Check Bushing

Brushes

Remove the brush cover or end cap. Inspect the brushes. Although you can buy new ones, it is a heavy-duty soldering job to replace them.

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