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Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
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Sample of electric-powered 1200s photos at http://www.angelfire.com/or2/drbrown/BL2001.htm

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2004/11/1 10:52  Updated: 2004/11/1 10:52
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
Would it be fair to call this car a,... VoltsWagon?

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Team_Dat
Posted: 2004/11/1 11:14  Updated: 2004/11/1 11:14
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
There's cheesy puns and then there's cheesy puns and today dodgman takes a cheesecake the size of greenland. nicew one man

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2004/11/1 11:22  Updated: 2004/11/1 11:22
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
Actually it's the name i gave to my booster battery trolley back in about '67. I couldn't help myself.

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Trees
Posted: 2004/11/1 2:24  Updated: 2004/11/1 2:24
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
with electric-powered cars you dont cut out the oil thing completely you still need oil to lubricate

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ang94541
Posted: 2004/10/1 8:19  Updated: 2004/10/1 8:19
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
toyota volta
This should be an interesting hybrid.
It would be more practical, at least for me, to add an electric motor to the existing A12. You wouldn't need a starter or alternator and could probably get rid of the flywheel (weight) as well.

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2004/9/30 13:01  Updated: 2004/9/30 13:01
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
With a range of only 20 miles [32k] the Blue Meanie really is a limited use vehicle. I'm guessing that you don't hook it up to a 3 amp trickle charger for an overnight voltage refill. Even with a 50 mile [80k] range, this system is not ready to challenge the infernal combustion engine just yet.

This limited range problem was the bane of the Detroit Electric car of 1904, so there has not been a lot of progress in the last 100 years, & i don't see anything on the horizon that will change this situation anytime soon.

This is a very interesting vehicle with spectacular drag strip performance, but it's not likely to replace the motor car.

At least with a fuel burning engine, an 'out of fuel' problem can be rectified on the side of the road, but a flat battery in a straight battery power car is not so easily fixed

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2004/10/1 5:50  Updated: 2004/10/1 5:50
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
Actually he can recharge the batteries in about 5 minutes. He can also use a 120v trickle charger overnight.

But point well taken -- pure electric cars are niche vehicles. For a general purpose car, well that's what hybrids are for. They can do everything. That 420 hp Mitsubishi spider hybrid sure looked interesting.

Electric is technically feasible as mainstream transportation, but since gasoline is so inexpensive and there's already an industry built around it, there's not a great deal of incentive to 'reinvent' the automobile right now. All it would take is recharging stations instead of 'gas stations'. Today's batteries are a magnitude better than those of only 20 years ago.

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Posted: 2004/9/30 4:08  Updated: 2004/9/30 4:08
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
Im telling ya Im getting into these electric powered 1200's
i was awake thinking last night of how do do a hybrid 1200...with a stock A 12 and an electric engine as well. for me it would be about beating the petrol companies at their game..I hate them hanging a dark cloud over us all the time

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dattodude
Posted: 2004/9/30 4:37  Updated: 2004/9/30 4:37
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
I was thinking the same thing the other day. I used to cringe at the possibility of the world running out of oil, but if we all started using electric power, it would tell those middle-eastern highway robbers where to go!

I'd like to be able to tell them to stick their oil up their a$$.

I could still have my 1200, it just wouldn't need petrol.

I just wish I could get 300HP out of a renewable fuel source.

Good topic.

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2004/9/30 5:43  Updated: 2004/9/30 5:43
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
Blue Meanie has as much torque as a 5 liter V8 ... who needs HP?

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Team_Dat
Posted: 2004/9/30 5:57  Updated: 2004/9/30 5:57
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
Does anyone know how much this cost him mand how long the batteries last? that would be the hinging factor

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2004/9/30 6:47  Updated: 2004/9/30 6:47
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
Batteries last 5-10 years if treated well.

The cost? About what you folks are spending on a highly modded a-series + 5-speed. He told me $5000 USD could do it, if you shop carefully and do the work yourself. The range is 20 miles if I recall correctly, it is optimized for more performance than range.

This is one quick 1200! Maybe not a high speed in the 1/4, but quick 0-60mph.

Anyways, let John tell the story: John Wayland, an introductio/my 1200

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Posted: 2004/9/30 7:16  Updated: 2004/9/30 7:16
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
My neighbour has a Toyota Prius which is hybrid car..has a range of 1000kms @ 4.4l/km (44litre tank) and it had great pickup as it went past me they are qite large as well and they have a drag coefficient of 0.26. They are worth about $23,000 used now.

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Posted: 2004/9/30 9:53  Updated: 2004/9/30 9:53
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
maybe one of the many electric motors they have available these days would suit. the only issue would be a gearbox but seriously, couplings are cheap to make and would allow you to adapt any output shaft to any gearbox spline. my coupling for my steering linkages cost me $25 from scratch, so a bigger splined one would be less than $100 for sure.

maybe look into installing a 24V truck alternator on each wheel (or 4 on the tailshaft - whatever) to generate enough charge to maintain the system and recharge it at cruise.

it wouldn't be hard, but it would be challenging.

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2004/10/1 5:53  Updated: 2004/10/1 5:53
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
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the only issue would be a gearbox
No issue at all ... the sister car to this has no gearbox at all, just direct drive to the Ford 9" out back. Most electrics are fitted to the stock gearbox using a flat plate, you just have to control the low speed torque (with the 'controller' unit) so the motor doesn't break the gearbox.

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pro-240c
Posted: 2004/10/1 6:56  Updated: 2004/10/1 6:56
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
well, effectively you wouldn't even need a bellhousing. just a coupling linking the motor output shaft with the input shaft of the gearbox and a brace on either side of the gearbox to stop it twisting. you could even put it thru a small centrifugal clutch to eliminate the shock torque loading.

it would be like driving a clutchless manual, and i'm sure reduced gears (ie a gearbox instead of direct drive) would increase the "range" of the vehicle.

wouldn't want vacuum 'assisted' brakes though!

i's getting another idea!

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Posted: 2004/11/1 4:09  Updated: 2004/11/1 4:09
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 Re: Blue Meanie at Blue Lake
Quote:
maybe look into installing a 24V truck alternator on each wheel (or 4 on the tailshaft - whatever) to generate enough charge to maintain the system and recharge it at cruise.



The laws of physics won't let you do that. Power in = power out. So if you add an alternator to an electric vehicle, it just takes more amps to run your electric motor.
To put it most simply, (battery draw) - (frictional losses) - (resistance of your wire) - (controller draw) = (power to the wheesl). Adding alternators to the wheels increases the frictional component and you will consume more energy than you make. Unless you can find a way to always go downhill In physics there is never such thing as a free lunch.