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- | ''Independent Rear Suspension''' (IRS) is superior for comfort and smoothness and since those are not necessary for an economy car platform, Datsun 1200 was instead fitted with less expensive traditional live axle, a non-indendent rear suspension. No RWD Sunny came with IRS, so enterprising modders have shown the way and various Datsun IRS have been adapted. | + | '''Independent Rear Suspension''' (IRS) is superior for comfort and smoothness and since those are not necessary for an economy car platform, Datsun 1200 was instead fitted with less expensive traditional live axle, a non-indendent rear suspension. No RWD Sunny came with IRS, so enterprising modders have shown the way and various Datsun IRS have been adapted. |
= Overview = | = Overview = | ||
- | IRS is not generally the best for racing. Leaf spring is superior for most racing, however IRS can be setup for racing if the class permits it. | + | IRS is not generally the best for racing. Leaf spring is superior for most racing, however IRS can be setup for racing if the class permits it. IRS will also generally hurt performance as it is heavier than a live axle. But, if done correctly the IRS can handle a lot better for track and hill climb use with the ability to play around with rear camber and toe settings. |
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+ | On the other hand, a live axle kicks the back end right out of track over anything but smooth concrete. So well-tuned shocks are necessary to control bouncing, but even so it's not very smooth on a light car. You can control axle tramp easily, but preventing skittering on bumpy curves is difficult. Since race tracks are smoother than street pavement it is not generally as big an issue for race cars. | ||
Also see: [[De Dion]] for low-sprung weight non-IRS suspension. | Also see: [[De Dion]] for low-sprung weight non-IRS suspension. | ||
<br>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23003.jpg | <br>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23003.jpg | ||
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+ | The Datsun Sunny family was the "economy" model line. Therefore it has the cheapest solution, a live rear axle. All the Datsun rwd subcompacts used a live rear axle. In some ways this is better than IRS: less weight, more reliable, better for hard launches, easier to tune for handling. But certainly it rides harshly, especially in such a light car. In the 1970s more and more economy cars were being fitted with IRS, and so many new FWD designs incorporated it. It is cheap to fit to FWD car, since there is no rear diff. | ||
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+ | * Sunny Excellent PB110 and PB210, though upscale with L-series engines, still were fitted with live axles. No IRS. | ||
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+ | * The Datsun Bluebird family (510/610/810/910/Maxima) had IRS from 1967, but those were Nissan's bigger models, which eventually ecompassed luxury models (810/910). All Bluebird family models except some export assembled versions (Mexico, Australia) and commercials (Wagon) had IRS. | ||
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+ | * The P510 (1600) and P610 (180B) had IRS, except for wagons, then Nissan went less expensive again for the 710 (Violet/140J/160J) and A10/HL510 (Violet/Stanza) although some models still came with IRS. These cars were the compacts, a bit larger and more expensive than the Sunny family. | ||
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+ | * Z-cars had IRS from the beginning as befitting thier status as a world-class sports car. | ||
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+ | * Besides the Bluebirds, some other RWD Datsuns came with IRS including Japan-market Violet (710 and A10), though generally export markets did not get these upscale models but instead the base models without IRS. | ||
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+ | * Datsun/Nissan Silvia (S10, S110, S12, S13, S14 and S15) came with IRS, but is too wide for the 1200. It can be narrowed with custom machining and welding. | ||
= 510 IRS = | = 510 IRS = | ||
+ | Datsun [[510]] (1600) model series of the Bluebird family is the source of inexpensive IRS donors. It uses the common Fuji [[R160]] differential as used by the ubiquitous Subarus. The newer 610 (180B) has similar suspension but is a bit wider so less appropriate for a 1200. | ||
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[http://community.ratsun.net/topic/3594-got-some-work-done-on-the-1200-today/page__view__findpost__p__422625 Datsunfreak's IRS swap on Ratsun] | [http://community.ratsun.net/topic/3594-got-some-work-done-on-the-1200-today/page__view__findpost__p__422625 Datsunfreak's IRS swap on Ratsun] | ||
[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23130 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23130.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23131 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23131.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23132 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23132.jpg] | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23130 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23130.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23131 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23131.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23132 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23132.jpg] | ||
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+ | = Pigdog = | ||
+ | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=10852 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/10852.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12645 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/12645.jpg] | ||
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+ | = sssute = | ||
+ | Club member sssute [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38998&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0 started a conversion for his 1200 ute], using a S14 (Silvia) complete rearend but with upgraded R200 (Z-car) diff. | ||
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+ | S14 suspension before and after narrowing: | ||
+ | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=198008 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/19008.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=198009 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/19009.jpg] | ||
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+ | = Other Swaps = | ||
+ | Nissan Pulsar N14 GTiR rear suspension | ||
+ | <br> Arthur Jackson of Stewart Wilkins Motorsports has fitted GTiR IRS in a 1200 coupe. | ||
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+ | In a race 1200 with tubular chassis, any kind of suspension can be fitted: | ||
+ | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flat&topic_id=42589&forum=1 Double-wishbone IRS] | ||
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+ | = B210 = | ||
+ | [[B210]] with IRS fitted: | ||
+ | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2234 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2234.jpg] |
Revision as of 02:11, 10 May 2011
Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) is superior for comfort and smoothness and since those are not necessary for an economy car platform, Datsun 1200 was instead fitted with less expensive traditional live axle, a non-indendent rear suspension. No RWD Sunny came with IRS, so enterprising modders have shown the way and various Datsun IRS have been adapted.
Contents |
Overview
IRS is not generally the best for racing. Leaf spring is superior for most racing, however IRS can be setup for racing if the class permits it. IRS will also generally hurt performance as it is heavier than a live axle. But, if done correctly the IRS can handle a lot better for track and hill climb use with the ability to play around with rear camber and toe settings.
On the other hand, a live axle kicks the back end right out of track over anything but smooth concrete. So well-tuned shocks are necessary to control bouncing, but even so it's not very smooth on a light car. You can control axle tramp easily, but preventing skittering on bumpy curves is difficult. Since race tracks are smoother than street pavement it is not generally as big an issue for race cars.
Also see: De Dion for low-sprung weight non-IRS suspension.
The Datsun Sunny family was the "economy" model line. Therefore it has the cheapest solution, a live rear axle. All the Datsun rwd subcompacts used a live rear axle. In some ways this is better than IRS: less weight, more reliable, better for hard launches, easier to tune for handling. But certainly it rides harshly, especially in such a light car. In the 1970s more and more economy cars were being fitted with IRS, and so many new FWD designs incorporated it. It is cheap to fit to FWD car, since there is no rear diff.
- Sunny Excellent PB110 and PB210, though upscale with L-series engines, still were fitted with live axles. No IRS.
- The Datsun Bluebird family (510/610/810/910/Maxima) had IRS from 1967, but those were Nissan's bigger models, which eventually ecompassed luxury models (810/910). All Bluebird family models except some export assembled versions (Mexico, Australia) and commercials (Wagon) had IRS.
- The P510 (1600) and P610 (180B) had IRS, except for wagons, then Nissan went less expensive again for the 710 (Violet/140J/160J) and A10/HL510 (Violet/Stanza) although some models still came with IRS. These cars were the compacts, a bit larger and more expensive than the Sunny family.
- Z-cars had IRS from the beginning as befitting thier status as a world-class sports car.
- Besides the Bluebirds, some other RWD Datsuns came with IRS including Japan-market Violet (710 and A10), though generally export markets did not get these upscale models but instead the base models without IRS.
- Datsun/Nissan Silvia (S10, S110, S12, S13, S14 and S15) came with IRS, but is too wide for the 1200. It can be narrowed with custom machining and welding.
510 IRS
Datsun 510 (1600) model series of the Bluebird family is the source of inexpensive IRS donors. It uses the common Fuji R160 differential as used by the ubiquitous Subarus. The newer 610 (180B) has similar suspension but is a bit wider so less appropriate for a 1200.
Datsunfreak's IRS swap on Ratsun
Pigdog
sssute
Club member sssute started a conversion for his 1200 ute, using a S14 (Silvia) complete rearend but with upgraded R200 (Z-car) diff.
S14 suspension before and after narrowing:
Other Swaps
Nissan Pulsar N14 GTiR rear suspension
Arthur Jackson of Stewart Wilkins Motorsports has fitted GTiR IRS in a 1200 coupe.
In a race 1200 with tubular chassis, any kind of suspension can be fitted:
B210
B210 with IRS fitted: