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-	[[Category:Charging System]]	+	Early 1200 use [[Alternator]] with external [[Voltage regulator]]. Later 1200s (from 1981) use an Internally Regulated (IR) Alternator.
-	[[Category:Wiring]]	+
-		+
-	Our Datsun B110 used -- as with most 1964-1974 cars -- an [[Alternator]] with external [[Voltage regulator]].	+
	= Overview =		= Overview =
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23630 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23630.jpg]	+	B110 alternator is 35A and has plastic cover on back
		+	<br>{{Album|24375}}
-	'''Alternator Connections'''	+	1980s 1200 is still 35A but uses internal regulator (IC REG)
-	<table border='1' class='inner' cellspacing='2'>	+	<br>{{Album|24756}}
-	<tr bgcolor="ccccff"><td>terminal</td><td>Color</td><td>Logical Connections</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>A (Alternator)</td><td>WR or W</td><td>* To Battery + terminal through the [[Fusible Link]]<br>* To Regulator "A" terminal (W wire)</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>F (Field)</td><td>WB</td><td>* To Regulator "F" terminal</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>N (neutral point)</td><td>Y</td><td>* To Regulator "N" terminal<br>* To electric choke relay Y wire</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>E (Earth/ground)</td><td>B</td><td>* To body ground<br>* To Regulator "E" terminal</td></tr>	+
-	</table>	+
		+	Both use the same T-connector, but IC REG alternator socket is additionally notched
		+	<br>{{PhotoTh!|LRplug.jpg}} &nbsp; {{PhotoTh!|FNplug.jpg}}
-	'''Regulator Connections'''	+	Datsun used the simple T-connector, but the NipponDenso C900 style can also be used. The locking tab prevents the connector from falling out.
-	<table border='1' class='inner' cellspacing='2'>	+	<br>{{Photo2|C900.jpg}}
-	<tr bgcolor="ccccff"><td>terminal</td><td>Color</td><td>Logical Connections</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>A (Alternator)</td><td>W</td><td>* To Alternator "A" terminal (WR or W)</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>F (Field)</td><td>WB</td><td>* To Alternator "F" terminal</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>N (nuetral point)</td><td>Y</td><td>* To Alternator "N" terminal<br>* To electric choke relay Y wire</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>E (Earth)</td><td>B</td><td>* To body ground<br>* To Alternator "E" terminal</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>IG (ignition)</td><td>WL (72:&nbsp;W?)</td><td>* To fuse box "M" terminal (does not go through IGN switch)</td></tr>	+
-	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>L (Light)</td><td>WR</td><td>* To dash light "IGN" ('72, '73) or "CHG" (1971)</td></tr>	+
-	</table>	+
-	= How the Alternator Dash Light Works =	+	= Early 1200 =
-	The dash lamp is connected to IGN +. The other side goes to the "L" terminal of the external regulator.	+	Our Datsun B110 used -- as with most 1964-1974 cars -- an [[Alternator]] with external [[Voltage regulator]].
-	* When the alternator is not putting out current, the "L" terminal is at '-' voltage, so the dash light turns on	+
-	* Once the alternator starts putting out current, the "L" terminal is at + voltage, so the light turns off (both sides of the light are at +)	+
		+	{{Album|25445}}
-	This also is connected to the F (field) connection of the alternator, so it "turns on" the alternator. It is the switched 12V (through the lamp) that kick starts the alternator fields.	+	'''Alternator Connections'''<table class="wiki_table" style="width:600px;">
		+	<tr><th>terminal</th><th>Color</th><th>Logical Connections</th></tr>
		+	<tr><td>A (Alternator)</td><td>W</td><td>* To Battery + terminal through the [[Fusible Link]]<br>* To Regulator "A" terminal (W wire)</td></tr>
		+	<tr><td>F (Field)</td><td>WB</td><td>* To Regulator "F" terminal</td></tr>
		+	<tr><td>N (neutral point)</td><td>Y</td><td>* To Regulator "N" terminal<br>* To electric choke relay Y wire</td></tr>
		+	<tr><td>E (Earth/ground)</td><td>B</td><td>* To body ground<br>* To Regulator "E" terminal</td></tr>
		+	</table>
-	WARNING: This mean that if the dash lamp	+	Alternator uses the typical 1970s T-shaped connector:
-	is burned out, the alternator does not work	+	F Field - stem of Tee
		+	N Neutral point - head of Tee
-	= Automatic Choke Relay =	+	'''Regulator Connections'''<table class="wiki_table" style="width:600px;">
-	On Datsuns equipped with an electric [[Automatic Choke]], a relay is used so that the choke heater is activated only when the engine is running. It uses a normally connected relay -- the choke is powered all the time when IGN is on, but when the engine is not running the relay disconnects the choke power.	+	<tr><th>terminal</th><th>Color</th><th>Logical Connections</th></tr>
		+	<tr><td>A (Alternator)</td><td>W</td><td>* To Alternator "A" terminal (W)</td></tr>
		+	<tr><td>F (Field)</td><td>WB</td><td>* To Alternator "F" terminal</td></tr>
		+	<tr><td>N (neutral point)</td><td>Y</td><td>* To Alternator "N" terminal<br>* To electric choke relay Y wire</td></tr>
		+	<tr><td>E (Earth)</td><td>B</td><td>* To body ground<br>* To Alternator "E" terminal</td></tr>
		+	<tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td>IG (ignition)</td><td>WL</td><td>* To fuse box "M" terminal (does not go through IGN switch)</td></tr>
		+	<tr><td>L (Light)</td><td>WR</td><td>* To dash light "IGN" ('72, '73) or "CHG" (1971)</td></tr>
		+	</table>
-	As soon as the choke heater gets hot, it comes off the choke. If your engine is cold, you won't be able to restart it. For example, if you listen to the radio for a couple of minutes before starting the engine, and mistakenly put it to IGN, then the car won't start on a cold day. To prevent this scenario, the relay only powers the choke when the engine is running. The alternator provides a signal when the engine is running. It is the Neutral Sense wire (N wire). This is a weak signal so a relay is used.	+	Voltage Regulator Pinout
		+	<br>{{Photo!|1V1250_pinout.jpg|Datsun%201200/Parts2|width=SM}}
		+	Wire Color
		+	WR Lamp (to dash lamp)
		+	W Positive (12V from Fusible Link)
		+	Y Stator (Neutral point, tee-connector N)
		+	B Ground (Earth to horn bracket)
		+	WB Field (Tee-connector F)
		+	WL Ignition ([[Fuse Box|'M' fuse]])
-	== B110 Choke Wiring ==	+	= Late-model Alternator =
-	The 1972-1973 auto choke is powered by a separate 10A fuse. On a 1973 this also supplies the [[Anti-diesel valve]].	+	Datsun 1200 from 1981 (Japan-market models) use an internally-regulated Hitachi [[Hitachi LR Alternator|LR Alternator]] or equivalent. The LR135 has LS wiring like many modern Japanese alternators. The L-terminal goes to the CHG lamp, and the S-terminal goes to either IGN or straight to the battery.
-	The power side of the relay normally connects the IGN wire to the choke wire.	+	{{Album|24517}}
-	L (Blue): to 10A fuse then to IGN switch	+	{{Album|24374}}
-	Red: choke	+
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14977 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/14977.jpg]	+	== Using in Older 1200 ==
		+	The LR135 is a bolt-in replacement for the LT135 BUT you must modify the wiring slightly.
-	The relay is activated by these two wires:	+	See main article: [[IR Alternator Conversion Wiring]]
-	Black: ground	+	= Engine Swaps =
-	Yellow: N wire of alternator & regulator (turns on relay)	+	See main article: [[Basic Alternator Wiring]]
		+	= How the Alternator Dash Light Works =
		+	The dash lamp is connected to IGN +. The other side goes to the "L" terminal of either the external regulator or alternator. A relay turns the dash lamp on/off.
-	The factory 1200 auto choke setup (1972 & 1973 USA models) uses a relay:	+	* When the alternator is not putting out current, the "L" terminal is at ground/earth, so the dash light turns on
-	* Red - to choke	+	* Once the alternator starts putting out current, the "L" terminal is at full voltage, so the light turns off (both sides of the light are at same voltage)
-	* Yellow - to "N" wire of regulator/alternator	+
-	* Blue (L) - to Fuse 10A in fuse box IGN side	+
-	*: (also to Anti-diesel valve on 1973 carburetor)	+
-	* Black - to ground/earth	+
		+	<blockquote>WARNING: If the dash lamp is burned out, the alternator does not work. The lamp circuit is used to start the alternator.</blockquote>
-	Location of Choke relay: To left of radiator	+	== External Regulator ==
-	<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14979 http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/14979.jpg]	+	The dash lamp is connected to IGN +. The other side goes to the "L" terminal of the external regulator. A relay inside the [[Voltage Regulator]] turns the dash lamp on/off.
-	=== Simple Wiring ===	+	* When the alternator is not putting out current, the "L" terminal is at '-' voltage, so the dash light turns on
-	All this being said, you can simply hook the choke up to the Hot side of the ballast resistor -- it seems to work fine. The only downside I've observed is when you can't get the engine started right away, the choke heats up while you are trying - on cold days you may never get it started. So using the alternator output and a relay is a better idea.	+	* Once the alternator starts putting out current, the "L" terminal is at + voltage, so the light turns off (both sides of the light are at +)
-	=== Part Numbers ===	+	This also is connected to the F (field) connection of the alternator, so it "turns on" the alternator. It is the switched 12V (through the lamp) that kick starts the alternator fields.
-	25235-P0101 ASSY-RELAY,HEATER,AUTO CHOKE $68.68	+
-	superseded 25235-P0100 ASSY-RELAY,HEATER,AUTO CHOKE 0671- USA	+
-	Same as Datsun 510	+
-	Same as Datsun 521 pickup	+
-	240Z Pump Relay	+
-	* F.D Furuhashi/Elecman SRK12-1	+
-	* Beck/Arnley 203-0015	+
-	4-pin spade connectors, Normally Connected	+	== Internal Regulator ==
-	<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23481 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/23481.jpg]	+	Internally regulated Hitachi LR alternators (S-L type) use the L terminal to turn the dash lamp on and off, using a transistorized switch inside the alternator.
		+	= Automatic Choke Relay =
		+	On Datsuns equipped with an electric [[Automatic Choke]], a relay is used so that the choke heater is activated only when the engine is running.
-	Alternatives	+	See main article: [[Electric Choke Wiring]]
-	* The B310 relay is much cheaper, but has six connectors. 2 would remain unused if you used that switch which has a different connector. 25230-89915	+	{{End}}[[Category:Charging System]][[Category:Wiring]]
-	* B210 relay is similar, but uses B210 style connector 25235-H6200/B5235-H6200	+
-	* Generic 12V normally-closed [[Relay]] could be used (4-spade connectors)	+
-		+
-		+
-	Also see: [[Choke_Operation_and_Adjustment#Wiring|Choke Operation]] wiring section	+
-		+
-	== B310 Choke Wiring ==	+
-	B310 uses a combo relay, six connectors with both normally open and normally closed pairs. Turning on the ignition switch activates the relay, pulling power away from the choke heater. When the engine starts, the relay turns off, resuming flow of power to the choke.	+
-		+
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23479 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/23479.jpg]	+
-	<br>NA B310 uses internally-regulated [[Hitachi LR Alternator]] with L terminal in place of N terminal.	+
-		+
-		+
-	The relay controls	+
-	* Normally Closed (de-activated when relay is ON):	+
-	** Choke Heater	+
-	** Fan relay	+
-	** Warm-up Relay 1	+
-	* Normally Open (activated when relay is ON:	+
-	** Brake lamps	+
-		+
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23480 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23480.jpg]	+
-		+
-		+
-	Locations	+
-	* The choke relay is mounted in the relay box on the rigth side strut tower.	+
-	* The check test connector is located under the dash near the fuse box.	+
-		+
-	25230-89915 RELAY ASSY-AUTO CHOKE $24.57 USD	+
-	B5230-89985	+
-	240Z ignition relay	+
-		+
-	6-pin spade connectors, Normally Connected + Normally Open	+
-	<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23482 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/23482.jpg]	+
-		+
-	= Alternator Upgrade =	+
-	Many different Datsun alternators and alternators from other makes can easily be fitted to the Datsun 1200.	+
-		+
-	See main article: [[Alternator Upgrades]]	+

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Current revision

Early 1200 use Alternator with external Voltage regulator. Later 1200s (from 1981) use an Internally Regulated (IR) Alternator.

Contents 1 Overview 2 Early 1200 3 Late-model Alternator 3.1 Using in Older 1200 4 Engine Swaps 5 How the Alternator Dash Light Works 5.1 External Regulator 5.2 Internal Regulator 6 Automatic Choke Relay

Overview

B110 alternator is 35A and has plastic cover on back
Album 24375

1980s 1200 is still 35A but uses internal regulator (IC REG)
Album 24756

Both use the same T-connector, but IC REG alternator socket is additionally notched
 

Datsun used the simple T-connector, but the NipponDenso C900 style can also be used. The locking tab prevents the connector from falling out.

Early 1200

Our Datsun B110 used -- as with most 1964-1974 cars -- an Alternator with external Voltage regulator.

Album 25445

Alternator Connections

terminal	Color	Logical Connections
A (Alternator)	W	* To Battery + terminal through the Fusible Link * To Regulator "A" terminal (W wire)
F (Field)	WB	* To Regulator "F" terminal
N (neutral point)	Y	* To Regulator "N" terminal * To electric choke relay Y wire
E (Earth/ground)	B	* To body ground * To Regulator "E" terminal

Alternator uses the typical 1970s T-shaped connector: 
F Field - stem of Tee
N Neutral point - head of Tee

Regulator Connections

terminal	Color	Logical Connections
A (Alternator)	W	* To Alternator "A" terminal (W)
F (Field)	WB	* To Alternator "F" terminal
N (neutral point)	Y	* To Alternator "N" terminal * To electric choke relay Y wire
E (Earth)	B	* To body ground * To Alternator "E" terminal
IG (ignition)	WL	* To fuse box "M" terminal (does not go through IGN switch)
L (Light)	WR	* To dash light "IGN" ('72, '73) or "CHG" (1971)

Voltage Regulator Pinout

Wire Color
WR Lamp (to dash lamp)
 W Positive (12V from Fusible Link)
 Y Stator (Neutral point, tee-connector N)
 B Ground (Earth to horn bracket)
WB Field (Tee-connector F)
WL Ignition ('M' fuse)

Late-model Alternator

Datsun 1200 from 1981 (Japan-market models) use an internally-regulated Hitachi LR Alternator or equivalent. The LR135 has LS wiring like many modern Japanese alternators. The L-terminal goes to the CHG lamp, and the S-terminal goes to either IGN or straight to the battery.

Album 24517

Album 24374

Using in Older 1200

The LR135 is a bolt-in replacement for the LT135 BUT you must modify the wiring slightly.

See main article: IR Alternator Conversion Wiring

Engine Swaps

See main article: Basic Alternator Wiring

How the Alternator Dash Light Works

The dash lamp is connected to IGN +. The other side goes to the "L" terminal of either the external regulator or alternator. A relay turns the dash lamp on/off.

• When the alternator is not putting out current, the "L" terminal is at ground/earth, so the dash light turns on
• Once the alternator starts putting out current, the "L" terminal is at full voltage, so the light turns off (both sides of the light are at same voltage)

WARNING: If the dash lamp is burned out, the alternator does not work. The lamp circuit is used to start the alternator.

External Regulator

The dash lamp is connected to IGN +. The other side goes to the "L" terminal of the external regulator. A relay inside the Voltage Regulator turns the dash lamp on/off.

• When the alternator is not putting out current, the "L" terminal is at '-' voltage, so the dash light turns on
• Once the alternator starts putting out current, the "L" terminal is at + voltage, so the light turns off (both sides of the light are at +)

This also is connected to the F (field) connection of the alternator, so it "turns on" the alternator. It is the switched 12V (through the lamp) that kick starts the alternator fields.

Internal Regulator

Internally regulated Hitachi LR alternators (S-L type) use the L terminal to turn the dash lamp on and off, using a transistorized switch inside the alternator.

Automatic Choke Relay

On Datsuns equipped with an electric Automatic Choke, a relay is used so that the choke heater is activated only when the engine is running.

See main article: Electric Choke Wiring

 

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