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[Datsun 1200 encyclopedia]

Pedestals

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Category: Distributor

L-series distributors are nearly the same as A-series but uses a spacer/riser to mount to the engine (the pedestal). J-series is like the L-series in using a slotted tang drive, but uses a thin pedestal. It is more like the A-series in that the shaft has no tang, but the tang is in the drive-end.

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Overview

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Differences from A-series:

  • Require a "pedestal" or "base" (Distributor Support) that bolts to the engine, and the distributor is inserted into
  • Clocked differently (timing plate tab is at a different position on the otherwise-identical distributor body)
  • Has a tang-drive shaft (A-series has a plain shaft with gear fitted)

Because the L-series uses an offset-slotted drive, it can be fitted in only one position. This makes getting the correct pedestal and timing plate very important. It is possible to remove and "re-index" the driveshaft inside the engine, but not recommened.

Types

L-series early points: D4n small cap
L-series late points: D4A large cap 
L-series early EI: D4F remote ignitor type
L-series late EFI: D4K matchbox type
Z-series 4-plug: D4K matchbox type
Z-series 8-plug: D4N

Support

The distributor support or base is sometimes called the "pedestal".

SUPPORT-DISTRIBUTOR 

L-Series

Because the L-series uses an offset-slotted drive, it can be fitted in only one position. This makes getting the correct pedestal and timing plate very important. It is possible to remove and "re-index" the drive shaft inside the engine, but is not recommended because it will make future adjustments or repairs non-standard. The next mechanic may think the engine is put together incorrectly.

pedestals_b.jpg#210 pedestals_a.jpg#U60 pedestals_c.jpg#S67

It seems the pedestal must match the distributor type, and not the engine? In other words, L16/L18/L20B use the same pedestal when using a Matchbox distributor, but a different pedestal for a points distributor. The pedestals are clocked differently, and the fixing bolt is in a different location.

NOTE: There are 2 versions of the Matchbox distributor. If wrong pedestal is used the rotor will point in between the number 1 and 3 plug wires at TDC.

IMPORTANT: The timing plate should match the pedestal. There are three or four different plates for L-series engines. If you don't have the right one, you can #modify the plate.

Here's what the plates look like for the original distributors. When swapping distributors you may need a different plate for the same engine.
Timing_plates.jpg#plate

22178-21000 small cap distributors (4-cyl & 6-cyl)
pedestals_b.jpg

22178-U6000 large cap D4A/D6A, D4F/D6F, D4K/D6K some matchbox
with or without extra tab
20120530_231723_DSC01946b.jpg pedestals_a.jpg

22178-S6700 some matchbox
20120530_231723_DSC01946a.jpg pedestals_c.jpg

Z-series

Z18/Z20/Z22
22178-W7001 8-plug USA/JDM 4-plug USA 
22178-W3800 4-plug JDM
Z24 uses no pedestal, only a unique timing plate:
20120604160647DSC00931.jpg
Z24I - no support used
* WD21
* GC22
* 720

North America

A10 
22178-U6000 L20B -0678 D4F remote ignitor
22178-S6700 L20B 0778- D4K matchbox
22178-W7001 Z20S fed 4-plug (uses boomerang plate)
510
22178-21000
521
22178-21000 L16
610
22178-21000 1973 L16/L18 [matching timing plate is L16]
22178-U6000 1974- L20B [matching timing plate is like A14]
620
22178-21000 1972 L16
22178-U6000 1974- L18/L20B
710
22178-U6000 L18/L20B
720
22178-S6700 L20B
22178-W7001 Z20/Z22/Z24

810
22178-U6000 L24E
910
22178-S6700 L24E
S10 
22178-U6000 L20B D4A/D4F/D4K
S30
22178-21000 L24
22178-U6000 L26/L28E
S110
22178-W7001 Z20E/Z22E
* 4-plug Z20E FED ell plate
* 8-plug Z20E CAL wiggly plate
* 8-plug Z22E
S130
22178-S6700 L28E 
* L28ET uses no support

Application

22178-U6000 L-series
* A10 L20B -0678 D4F
* 610 L20B
* 620 L18/L20B D4A/D4F/D4K
* 710 L18/L20B
* 810 L24E
* S10 L20B D4A/D4F/D4K
* S30 L26/L28E D6F/D6K
22178-S6700 L-series
* A10 L20B 0778- D4K
* 720 L20B
* 910 L24E
* S130 L28E (L28ET uses no support)
22178-W7001 Z-series
* 720 Z20/Z22/Z24
* S110 Z20E/Z22E
* A10 Z20S fed 4-plug

Japan

NOTE: Some L20 use a no-support type distributor.

JAPAN
720
22178-21000 L18 points 
22178-W3800 Z16/Z18 points 4-plug
C31
22178-S6700 L20S/L20ET D4K matchbox FAT
22178-U6000 L20S/L20E/L28E ?
22178-W7001 Z18S/Z18P/Z20S 8-PLUG
F30
22178-U6000 L20E/L28E (some use Z24I style distributor)
22178-W7001 Z18S 8-PLUG points/EI
R30
22178-W3800 Z18S 4-plug points triangular
22178-W7001 Z20E/Z18S 8-PLUG points
910
22178-21000 L16S D4n
22178-W3800 Z16S
22178-W7001 Z16S/Z18S/Z18P/Z18E/Z18ET/Z20S/Z20E 8-PLUG

Application

22178-21000 L-series points
* 720 L18
* 910 L16S
22178-W3800 4-PLUG 
* E24 Z20
* D21 Z16S/Z18S/Z20S
* TC22 Z20S
* W40 Z22S
* 720 Z16/Z18
* 910 Z16S
* E23 Z18/Z20
* F22 Z16/Z20
* H40 Z20S/Z20D (Atlas cabover)
* R30 Z18S
22178-S6700 matchbox FAT
* C31 L20S/L20ET
22178-U6000 
* C31 L20S/L20E/L28E
* F30 L20E/L28E
22178-W7001 Z-series
* E24/WE24/910/C120/C31/E23/F30/R30/S110

Mismatches

It is tricky to make the wrong plate work.

https://ratsun.net/topic/49183-72-510-going-to-ei-distributor

http://nwde.ratsun.net/nwde/archive/3103.htm

http://community.ratsun.net/topic/44014-wrong-distributor-adjustment-plate

Here are two L16 plates on top of each other. They differ by a fraction of an inch, to match the bolt hole on the later distributor
DistPlates2.jpg

If you don't have the right plate, you can slot it with a hacksaw to make it fit the newer distributor
L16_timing_plate.jpg

Fixing Plate

Timing plate

Early L16 small-cap points distributor (Hitachi D40/D41 type)
22180-21000

These are plate for original-application use. When swapping distributors, you may need to use a 6-cylinder plate on a 4-cylinder, depending on which of the four distributor types you have
Timing_plates.jpg 

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