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While you were all at Datnats i had the gnomes busy working on the A series twin cam head possibilities.
This is the best result.

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Cameron_Datto
Posted: 2005/3/29 10:41  Updated: 2005/3/29 10:41
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 Re: A13DE A SERIES TWIN CAM PROJECT
The Mazda B6 TwinCam Head out of the 1.6 MX5 is also close in the head bolt and bore spacing ,, its a Timming belt .. i have tried it with the a series gasket ..

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Posted: 2005/3/28 10:15  Updated: 2005/3/28 10:15
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Well, at a pinch, the pushrod holes can be threaded & pluged, but the oil drain galleries will need welding, so that part doesn't look too hard.
The cam will need to be retained if for nothing other than oil pump drive & probably didtributor drive,... so far so good.

Now i am hopeing that you will reveal what the cylinder head is off.

You have my undivided attention.

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Posted: 2005/3/28 10:45  Updated: 2005/3/28 10:45
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The head bolts are done up in the pic. They all line up! The oil pump is not a problem, or the oil return holes.
The holes in the block can be tapped and fitted with plugs to seal holes.
It will need a cam cover to be fabricated to cover the timing chain.

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Dodgeman
Posted: 2005/3/28 11:04  Updated: 2005/3/28 11:04
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Do you think that a fabricated timing chest can be made, or would a casting be a better solution?

What was the engine capacity of the donor engine? I ask as this relates to compression ratio's
Do you think a copper gasket would be the go, or is a composite gasket a better proposition?

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Posted: 2005/3/28 11:48  Updated: 2005/3/28 11:48
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Errol what are the biggest problems involved in this challenge?
have you crunched any numbers on expected power gains etc out of this Frankestein Aseries?

I know we have spoke about this twin cam dream, i knew you couldnt help yourself You must have a very work full plate at the moment as well!

Keep it up mate Cheers

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Posted: 2005/3/28 12:47  Updated: 2005/3/28 12:47
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I think its a great project but Im not a fan of this particular head because of its small ability to be worked unless turboed.
However it will outflow an A series for sure.
If some reasonable numbers can be made with it then all credit to Feral as Im sure it will be cheaper than any aftermarket OSGiken head

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Posted: 2005/3/28 14:04  Updated: 2005/3/28 14:04
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I intend to try and use the original timing chest and ancilliaries. The combustion chamber will give 9:1 stock.
I will probably use a 1mm 5053 aluminium shim gasket with high temp three bond silicon sealant on O rings for the bores.

The biggest problem is the cam drive and timing cover anciliaries (water pump and oil pump).
The coolant galleries and oil feed to the head look like they can be solved with a bit of work.
D,
This head responds very well to any port work as the ports are restrictive but very well shaped.
The exhaust over inlet ratio is good to start with and can be improved to up to around 80% Exh/Inlet.
It all looks go If I can solve the match up problems for the gallriews and stuff.

We will see over the next months or years ???

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Posted: 2005/3/29 3:09  Updated: 2005/3/29 3:09
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 Re: A13DE A SERIES TWIN CAM PROJECT
GA16 head?

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Posted: 2005/3/29 8:15  Updated: 2005/3/29 8:15
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it's crazy the head looks to be the size of the block!!!


i am very interested in this, what would be the liklehood of being able to use one of these in say a rally car or something like that? how would it affect you regulations wise?



bgring on more info Errol, get the whip out on those gnomes and borrow some from santa if need be.

i want to see this engine going

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Posted: 2005/3/31 0:30  Updated: 2005/3/31 0:30
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Zac Cambells KA24 head on l series took him 18 month to do, so I think this will be a reasonably long winded affair.
It will give me something to do over winter as I have to continue to make a living in the mean time.

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Posted: 2005/3/31 0:47  Updated: 2005/3/31 0:47
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i am very interested in this, what would be the liklehood of being able to use one of these in say a rally car or something like that? how would it affect you regulations wise?


Team_Dat,
The rally code states "the head is free" so you can run a head of a Mack truck if you want to without affecting your eligibility

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Team_Dat
Posted: 2005/3/31 3:32  Updated: 2005/3/31 3:32
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Thanks 1200 coupe, i guess i really need the CAMS book to see what i can and can't do hey....

good luck Feral, hope it all works out i will be following this with great interest!

keep us up to date.....

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Lobster
Posted: 2005/4/4 17:13  Updated: 2005/4/4 17:13
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So is it GA16?

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Posted: 2005/4/5 7:55  Updated: 2005/4/5 7:55
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Looks close to a GA16.......... I'll take a pic of one here and post it to compare.

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Posted: 2005/4/5 10:16  Updated: 2005/4/5 10:16
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but the oil drain galleries will need welding


how will the oil be returned to the sump?

it's easy to keep the oil down, but hard to get it down once it's up.

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Posted: 2009/8/2 8:50  Updated: 2009/8/2 8:50
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How did this go? does anyone know if errol got this working?

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Posted: 2011/11/15 5:03  Updated: 2011/11/15 5:03
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I am guessing this did not work out, or was way too much work?

Mike

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Posted: 2011/11/16 10:34  Updated: 2011/11/16 10:34
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the beauty of an a series is its simplicity.
if you want twin cam then its best to go for
its child the GA series or the grandchild the
QG18DE which SCCA racer Peter up your way is
campaigning now instead of the A series.
He said it weighs as much as an a15 but with
300cc more and much better breathing once you
port the heads as they have plenty of meat.

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Posted: 2011/11/16 16:42  Updated: 2011/11/16 16:42
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Or even much better breathing without porting. Stock QG15DE is 105 HP while A15 is only 80 HP. Both are 1.5 liter.