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Re: what the difference in diffs for 1000's
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sorry about the same messages being repeated (i was using net from my phone)
i was hoping a diff out of a vannette or somthing would have fit width ways but i suppose datto 1000 utes are small. also i noticed my utes axels only have 2 holes for putting ya ratchet through to undo the 12mm nuts holding the axel in and the 2 door sedan had 4 holes. thats why i asked if they were the same. oh yea does anybody know if the vanettes with transverse spring front end brakes will fit on the 1000's i just noticed they had similar front end to datto 1000's and had disks too. and finaly i would like a 5 speed but what 4 speed is the strongest and that fits in my 1000 without modding the tailshaft i have a feeling my box s about to #### it. YES YES I RUINED IT. I THRASHED IT. NOW ITS ALL BREAKING DOWN. u would have thought a 25yr old would stop doing this sorta stuff

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i was hoping a diff out of a vannette or somthing would have fit width ways but i suppose datto 1000 utes are small.
Are you asking about the differential, or the whole rear axle assembly, which is another thing completely?Quote:

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can any 1 tell me the difference between a datsun 1000 ute diff and all other 1000 diffs?
If your original question related to the whole rear end & not just the differential, then the rear axle bearings in the Datsun 1000 Van & Ute are larger than the sedan & coupe models, so the axle housing is different in this area, but the axle shafts are the dimentionally the same for all.
The 1000 is the narrowest vehicle in the small Datsun range & has the narrowest rear end.

Our club member 'D' reports that the rear axle assembly from an early/mid 60's Datsun Bluebird [P410/411] is the same width & it comes with the larger brakes & an H165 differential in 4.11 to 1 ratio. Check with him for further info. Quote:

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and finaly i would like a 5 speed but what 4 speed is the strongest and that fits in my 1000 without modding the tailshaft i have a feeling my box s about to #### it. YES YES I RUINED IT. I THRASHED IT. NOW ITS ALL BREAKING DOWN.
The original box is the only one that fits without any mods whatsoever.

The 60 series gearbox will fit without tailshaft modifications, but some minor firewall & tunnel mods will be required to get it in the hole, & you will need to make up a new gearbox mount as it is located further back than the original.
At least the tailshaft will remain unchanged, complete with it's tiny universal joints.

The 63 series gearbox is the strongest & heaviest & seems to come in a 5 speed only. This will need more extensive tunnel alterations, a hydraulic clutch conversion, a new gearbox mount & a new tailshaft.
On the upside, these use the gearset from the L series gearboxes, so you are unlikely to break one with an A series engine.
On the downside, they are a bit hard to find, & a bit dear to buy.

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Re: what the difference in diffs for 1000's
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so in australia what car/van ect does the 63 series box come from. i live near a u pull it so parts r EASYER (most times)to get. thanx for ya info too. i know datsun1200.com has alot of info but sometimes its better coming from peoples in the know

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The 63 series gearbox is the strongest & heaviest & seems to come in a 5 speed only. This will need more extensive tunnel alterations, a hydraulic clutch conversion, a new gearbox mount & a new tailshaft.
Small model Datsun gearboxes that originate from right hand drive ALL use a cable operated clutch.
All of the 63 series gearboxes that I have heard about in Australia use hydraulic clutch control. This is why they are hard to find in Australia, & those that have one do not usually wish to part with them unless they are amply rewarded.

What does this mean? It means that there will be no need for you to go to a 'U Pull It' outlet anywhere in Australia. Better to advertise here on this site & keep your eye on ebay.
See if you can cultivate a good friend in the USA who knows what a model B210 'Nifty Fifty' is as they use hydraulic clutches over there.

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See if you can cultivate a good friend in the USA who knows what a model B210 'Nifty Fifty' is as they use hydraulic clutches over there.

Well done Dodgyman, show your true colours. Not good enough just to be mates. Its all about your own personal advantage. So whats the tally now on members you have done this too? How many have told you to get ####ked and have since copped your abuse.

Get a life you Conman, You know you want one

Posted on: 2006/7/25 9:28
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Steve, you've made your point before -- you don't like him. Could you spare us having to read about it over and over?

I come here to read about Datsuns, I enjoy your posts about B10s and loved your B110 wagon saga. Keep closer to topic, OK?

Didn't some 1000s come with iron-carrier?

Posted on: 2006/7/26 6:55
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Didn't some 1000s come with iron-carrier?
Not according to the parts book.

Posted on: 2006/7/26 8:49
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Can you use a 1200 ute diff under a 1000 if you use front wheel drive rims?
I remeber reading about it in here befor.

Posted on: 2006/7/26 14:50
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I know,i just can,t help myself sometimes.Our 1000 race car has a steel 1000 diff,i pinched it out of my 1000 wagon
and replaced it with an alloy case.It,s a 4.1
its locked and has not given any trouble since
being put in last september touch wood.As
most of you know we use an a15 up front
with a toyota box behind.If anyone has any
iron case 1000 diffs i would be keen to purchase them (just in case)
Cheers Rob

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Can you use a 1200 ute diff under a 1000 if you use front wheel drive rims?
Chafe
I'm sure that you are asking about the 1200 rear axle assembly & not the differential, which is just part of the whole 'rear end'
The 1200 ute rear end can be fitted under the back of a 1000 but if you an get some wheels to fit under, then good fortune to you, but in my view at least, it looks pretty crook.
The width difference is a mere 1-1/4" [about 32mm] per side, but the 1000 is a small car with tight clearances in this area, so measure carefully before spending any real cash on the 1200 ute rear end conversion.

I wish you good fortune in finding some rims that will fit.
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bert wrote:
I know,i just can,t help myself sometimes.Our 1000 race car has a steel 1000 diff, i pinched it out of my 1000 wagon
and replaced it with an alloy case. It's a 4.1
its locked and has not given any trouble since

If anyone has any
iron case 1000 diffs i would be keen to purchase them (just in case)
Cheers Rob
According to my material, there were no 'iron case' diffs fitted to 1000's from new, & in 1000's, the 4.11 to 1 ratio was used in Sedans & Coupes while Utes & Vans had a 4.375 to 1 ratio as standard

There was however, a 4.11 to 1 iron case H145 diff that was listed as a 'factory option' for 1200 Vans/Wagons.[The 'standard' ratio was 3.9 to 1]
All of the wagons in Australia that I have heard about so far, that have been reported with a 4.11 to 1 diff, used an alloy one, which would be a 1000 differential & this could have been fitted by the state distributor, the dealer, or anyone else during the life of the vehicle.

If you have an iron case H145 differential in 4.11 to 1 ratio, then you would seem to have one of these 'factory option' 1200 diffs that looks to have found it's way into your 1000 sometime during the last 36 years or so.

Posted on: 2006/7/26 23:22
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