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Re: workplace reform
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1 in, 1 out, 1 back works out in your favour if you do it correctly.


Probably true, if you are organised and take the time to do it correctly.

John Howard Said and I quote "No GST never ever"

He is a liar, I didnt vote for the bastard and I dont like collecting his taxes that he said he would never introduce.

If you like doing his dirty work , good for you .I dont!

Posted on: 2005/11/18 13:49
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Hi Scooter

Like you said I dont want to get invloved in a political statement but some things need to be known.

I have travelled the world, and let me say, until you leave our shores and look around, we have NO IDEA how good this country is! Believe me we dont need Beasley and the labour party in, last time Labour was in interest rates where 18.5%!!! We had national debt we COULDNT JUMP over and couldnt afford to pay the interest on our overseas debts, let alone the principle!! we WHERE heading towards being a 3rd world country. How quickly we forget.

Labour also brought in the "3 verbal, 3 written" rull on laying people off. If the person is no good, give him a chance to better himslef, then if all else fails, he goes! I know companies who have layed people of, gone through all the right channels to do it legally, then been taken to court for unfair dismissal!! And lost!!!

In the US you get 5 sick days a year, they dont acrue, and you get 2 weeks a year holiday, and its at the bosses discretion as to when you can have them! There is NO medicare system AT ALL!! If you get sick, just prey you get better, hope you have medical insurance or put your house on the market! Dont even ask about what the ASIA regions are like!!

With unemployment at 6% or lower we need to realise that it is an EMPLOYEES market now! Think of it like this, if your worried about your pay or your job, maybe you should worry about being a good employee, then you would have nothing to worry about....

To many school teachers tell kids that they must go to uni to get a better education. What about apprenticeships!!!

There is a MASSIVE, and I mean "MASSIVE" shortage of skilled labour out there because we are becoming a society of people who dont want to get our hands dirty. It is fact that you will earn more money laying bricks than being a doctor!! I know friends who went to uni, study law, started work in some of the biggest law firms in Australia, and they start on $35K a year, why? Because a million other kids did the same because they all want to sit in cafes in Armanui suits sipping lattes. My mate has since left that job, now repairs sewers in Sydney and earns excess of $250k a year, 5days a week, He has brought a house on Sydney harbour and drives a new Porsche....

As for the 100,000 people who marched against the reforms.... TV didnt show the 24,900,000 that didnt, mmm....funny that....

Ok, lifes not perfect, but go and have a look at the rest of the world.... we are very, VERY lucky people.


Top Gear I read what youve said and we do live in a great country.

To pick up on some of the points youve made,

Interest rates were 18.5% when Malcom Fraser was in and John Howard was treasurer as I recall.

The unfair dismissal laws havnt always worked out fairly .

You mention Medicare ,that was brought in by a Labor government and is slowly being eroded by our current government.

As for trying to be a good employee, I will try to keep this in mind,lord knows I dont want to upset the boss.

There is a massive skills shortage in this country, but I dont think we can blame the teachers for telling kids to get an education for the lack of tradesmen.
Once apon a time in a simpler world big companies , Telecom , and the railways ,took on apprentices. now in an era of privatisation,cost cutting and out sourcing they dont train as many people because that costs money, they just get people that someone else trained but the problem is no one has been taking on apprentices so they are running out of skilled people to poach.

I think kids today are just as willing to get their hands dirty as ever, if there were more apprentiships available young guys would be doing them .I dont think they would rather be sipping lattes in cafes wearing suits.

Good on your mate mending sewers for a quarter of a mill a year, if I could get that job I would be there,what special skills do you need?

I dont know why its "funny" that they dont show people on TV who aren't demonstrating, maybe its the same reason they dont show people who arn't doing all sorts of things.

If people feel their wages and conditions are being threatened they have every right to demonstrate, and the TV stations have a right to report it, its a free country.

Life here isnt perfect, its bloody good,but that shouldnt stop us voicing our dissaproval at the things we see wrong around us.
Free speech is one of the things that has made this country such a great place to live.

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This is very intresting, however i have no idea whats going on down there. Can any one gimme a short summry of why every one is so pissed off?

Posted on: 2005/11/18 21:36
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I think the Aussies are heavily unionised and the Govt is intent on passing laws that foster a greater degree of business confidence and therefore growth?

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Yes Teretonga, us Aussies are unionised, just like in many countries, but we are not 'heavily' unoinised, & yes, we live in a wonderfull country, but who made it that way? It sure as hell wasn't those in Armani siuts with shiney arses.

The current Prime Minister is exatrordinarily astute politicly, but can't control his mouth. He swore to the Nation that there would be 'NO GST, [blood sucking tax] NEVER EVER" so he got himself elected. Next thing, we have a GST, but the taxes that it was to replace have, in so many instances, remaimed.
He now wants us to not retire when we are old enough, but to keep working. Till when? When we drop dead on the job? Meanwhile he will be enjoying his own retirement at taxpayers expense.

Just before an election we had some refugees turn up in a leaky old tub. This boat eventually sank & the occupants were forced into the water, but before it went down, some were jumping off to try to get to the Australian warship that was close by.
What does our PM cry to the press.
They are throwing babys overboard. We don't want this kind of people in our country, & the lap dog press went with it, repeated the bullshit propaganda, whiped up public ferver & he was elected yet again.
It was all proven to be untrue of course & he blamed the 'chain of command' for his being misinformed. The captain of the [Australian political] ship is ultimately responsible.

Ask any law abiding firearm owner if his life is better now, since John Howard imposed himself in an area where he had NO constitutional right to be when he bludgeoned the states into submission using Australian taxpayers money. Gun crime is going down on the same graph slope that it had been following for the decade prior to his interference, so no actual benefit was realised, but many thousands of citizens now are made to feel like criminals by those members of the public that believed his propaganda on the subject.

I would dearly love to assasinate this man's political career at the ballot box with my vote, but by itself, it lacks the firepower & I guess that if one is getting screwed slowly enough, & is being sweet talked often enough, many dont notice. The 'Unfair Dismissal' legislation seems to be attempt to make it compulsory, not better.
The new 'Fair Pay' Commission reminds me of Wells' book "1984" Fair pay indead. We had an Industrial Relations court that did this job successfully for over a hundred years, but it could not be directly controlled by the government, so he is abolishing it.

If life is so bad in the US, then isn't it time that the people took a good look at us & realised that there is a better way, then stand up & claim it as their right, before John Howard turns us into a nation of frightened serfs. I'm sure that this is his aim.

In the end, it won't be him thats wondering where his next feed is coming from, nor if his kids will have a career, or will just bounce from job to job all their lives always frightened that thieir employer will dismiss then at a whim.

At least we have free speech, for now, but the new sedition laws look like changing that too.

We live in a wonderfull country, so enjoy it while it lasts.

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we live in a wonderful country.. but its all about to change

howards new laws will allow my boss to:

-cut my hourly rate by less than half
-allow me to only have 2 weeks annual leave per year (and pay out the other 2)
-sack me just because his neighbours kid needs a job

just to name a couple
and thats the reality of it

thanks johnny..... thanks

Posted on: 2005/11/19 0:15
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I have read what sidedraught and Topgear have written.

I own a company and have been involved in business for decades. Let me tell you a few basics.

Labour- gives the workers what they want...

Liberal- looks after small business so there are workers

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I have apprentices at my work, they all have Fathers who where self-employed and are Awesome kids. I look after my workers like where a family. They get paid hugely over the award, they get performance bonuses, when we have good months I take them all out for tea and out for Go-kart nights, they can use the company premisies for there own purposes any time they like, they can use company vehicles anytime they like, etc etc


if all employers were like you.... howards new laws wouldnt be a problem...

but the reality of it is that 99% of us recieve the wages and conditions that we do today.. becuase our employers have to give them to us.... not becuase they want to

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Interesting, you Aussies have also discovered the convenience of scapegoating teachers.


Phunk for President

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Hahaa classic

Like my old boss used to say in his broken English
"Whadda can ya do? No much"

Here is a pic taken by Mat of his wild party the night before bunkering down to work on my political campaign.
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