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LB 110 Coupe CA18DE install
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So I bought an LB110 coupe in 2008 for $200 and have been sitting on it until I had time and money to get it going. I got a great deal on an s13 NA CA18DE motor swap and since I have been hoarding parts for this project for a while I thought it best to start in on it now.

I know what I need as far as mounting the motor, frankly fabbing up for the mounts isn't even a concern of mine. I also picked up a stronger H165 Axle out of a 1978 S10 200SX(silvia). (Quite a rare find might I add)

I do need some advice on brakes. I've been pouring over the Tech Wiki for a while but I'm not sure what direction to turn. The brakes worked actually real good when I got the car and from 100mph with the old A12 it stopped just fine. I don't compete with the car, but want something fun to drive and good looking. But, now I wonder if the brakes will be up to task. Not sure if I just want to get the motor in and tackle it later or not.

Posted on: 2011/3/29 5:21
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Re: LB 110 Coupe CA18DE install
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Well what do you know another member in Vegas. First up; yes you will need better brakes, there was just a post about 3 weeks ago titled extra-large brakes (go to back to page 5 on main forum). The upgrade involved making a carrier for stock Nissan caliper (Sentra I think).

I’m using the 280ZX coil over / brake set set up, it works well but is on the heavy side. If you want to come by my place and take a look just let me know, I’m on Sunrise Mtn. I bought the complete front suspension set up from Nealy Racing (SCCA GT-Lite car builder) years back.

As the CA motor and whatever tranny you plan to use is going to be 75-100lbs heaver than the A12 with 56 series tranny you’ll likely want to upgrade the springs. When we first started racing our coupe we used cut down 240Z springs (they fit on the 1200 struts), in your case I would try the Z springs first before cutting them and see what the ride height is. Golf MK1 strut inserts are what’s being used for the stock 1200 strut tube.

Also get a set of Addco sway bars 7/8 front 5/8 rear. Don’t know what size rims you planned on using, I run 185/60 13’s (rule book) but you could probably go to 14’s without clearance issues, depending how much or if you planed to lower it.

One final note I have some street bits I don’t use but keep around, interior panels etc. I don’t know what motor is in the car now but we could probably swap some stuff.

Tom

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I had an A12 motor and transmission from the car. I really would like somebody to take it off your hands. Shoot me an e-mail at da82kc@hotmail.com and let's talk about meeting up to talk about the car.

As for the transmission I'm going to use, I planned on trying a stubby fs5w71b transmission, since I do have one.

Interesting thought on those sentra brakes though. Will have to check that out.

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Im interested in the weight of the a12 vs ca18de vs L18.
The weights are out there but its a bit of a guessing game
with some cars really putting on more weight than expected.
The L18 can be taken to 2litres easily have countless heads
bolted up to it and remains pollution free.
However the Ca was designed to be lightweight and compact where
the L series is huge and quite heavy.

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As I heard, the A series engine seemed to be the basis for the E series (SOHC version) and the E series was the basis of the CA series. If all that is true, the CA will be relatively comparable from the standpoint of the block. The head due to it's mass is definitely twice as heavy, the intake is twice as heavy not to mention the other ancillary things. Apparently the All aluminum SR weighs about as much as a CA, so for a Cast iron block motor, the CA is relatively lightweight.

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Id love to see what a bare bottom end for a ca and sr would weigh.
I can weight a CA can someone else weigh an SR???

that is a block with all internals and no accessories, no clutch or flywheel.
From deck to sump.

I would say the SR and CA twin cam heads are similar if not the SR is heavier?

Posted on: 2011/4/4 2:13
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The E and the CA came out the same year 1981 for FWD use. A main goal was overall shortness. E replaced the A-series and CA replaced the L-series (as per the Nissan Service Bulletin). That's why they share some of the same timing belt/valve train parts. See Nissan E Engine for more details.

SR is a heavy one, not sure why they ever came out with that one, I guess to replace the 2-liter class (L20B/Z20/CA20) with a 16-valve design. The KA head is superior and bigger displacment to boot. I would go with a KA24DE DOHC 16-valve engine in a 1200. 14 second quarters with a stock KA!

Or a CA18DET is even better, lighter and more HP but more complicate what with the forced induction.

CA or KA, you can use the 71B 'stumpy' 26.3" overall length tranmission, fits the stock shifter hole and uses the stock 1200 (auto) driveshaft. That is a really rare transmission in the USA, only a few 720 pickups had them. If you use a "short" 71B you can shorten the driveshaft, and cut the shifter hole about 4".

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The strange thing is in the Autospeed article about the design of the SR
Te engineers made an all alloy ca18de with high port heads that failed in
their noise level testing. Id love to get my hands on the ca18de in alloy
I wonder you has them now???

That article in the Wiki is ace thanks DD never knew it existed.
10kg 22lbs is a pretty big difference between the A vs E.

Id still be interested in the weight of the bottom end of an SR vs the CA.
The SR has thicker sand cast alloy block compared to modern pressure die
casting of todays nissan engines hence heavier but how much heavier than
a CA is still a mystery.

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Funny what their decision was based on noise.

They solved it with the QR engine, which replaced the SR. It has the light modern casting and the NVH noise improvement to boot. No DET version yet, but the stock block is fine at more power than a SR20DE. To bad it's still too new to find one cheap.

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yeah I love the performance of the QR more than the latest small bore MR also used in renaults.
If only the QR was better looking as its quite an ugly duckling compared to most twin cam engines that predate it. QR20DE or DET I know I want one! but with sexier rocker cover :)}

If only I can get that ca20 prototype with the alloy bottom end
Here is the article.
http://autospeed.com/cms/A_110298/printArticle.html

Quote:
t alloy blocks and drew on the experience gained by Nissan with their first alloy block engine, the 1-litre MA series. The technology jump was a large one, although the weight saving of the SR20 block over the CA18/20 iron block was only 9kg. However, as Nissan engineers of the time suggested, “attention was devoted not merely to reduce weight, but to assure functional reliability and to improve NVH [noise, vibration, harshness] characteristics”. The block alloy was heat-treated JIS AC2A, a material already used by Nissan in cylinder heads. A closed-deck design was adopted for these reasons: cylinder head gasket sealability improved NVH characteristics reduced permanent bore distortion To test the reduction in NVH of a closed deck, Nissan engineers had a CA20 block cast in aluminium (the CA being an open deck design) and then tested it back-to-back with a prototype closed-deck SR20. In the closed-deck design the greater stiffness of the water jacket wall reduced radiant noise by 2-3dB over the whole engine rev range. Other Nissan testing showed that cylinder bore distortion of the cast-in iron liners could reach 0.05mm in an open deck design, causing piston slap noise and oil consumption problems. This permanent distortion was reduced to 0.04mm in the closed deck version. A deep skirt block design was adopted to improve powertrain rigidity – but to give reduced NVH, rather than improved engine strength.


Actually it was a ca20 alloy prototype and the NVH was only marginal.

Also presto the mystery is solved??? the SR block was 9kg lighter
meaning that the rest of the engine parts are heavier than on a CA????

Posted on: 2011/4/4 6:26
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