Ive tried to steer clear of this thread but ive got to say a few things.

First up i got my full licence about 3 weeks ago now, 12 points in all its glory, first thing comes to my mind is that i can now go a little faster as i can afford to loose the points, however this is the wrong attitude i still thought it.

Second, im one of the few people here with N/A CA18's, and i have no trouble breaking the speed limit by 45km or more on a highway in under 20 seconds, so it has nothing to do with the car being turbo or having muliple cylinders (all this does is make it eaiser to hit 155km/h). But take a look at the datsun ute - it was never designed to do 155km/h so its brakes are not addequate nor is its ability to absorb the pressure of crashing at these speeds (do they even have a front crumple zone - i know the tray would be pretty good if you were heading rear wards into a tree), where many turbo and 8 cylinder cars have the brakes to complement their power (unmoddified). So that is another concern the ute will turn its occupants into canned sardines if involved in a serious accident.

A solution could be to make it double demertits all year round for drivers of HiPo catagorised vehciles, as this is only thing that slows me down (dont get me wrong im not flat chat absoluley everywhere but i have been known to exceed the speed limit- but you'll never see me at a kay above the limit during peak hour and rarely during the day, however come midnight i tend to take my car for a ride) Every time DDemerits comes along i will pussyfoot every where, but this may not work as it seems that when DD comes along I see drivers (usally older V8 Drivers) stabing clutches off the lights - i think it has something to do with being on holidays. So if i knew that if i ran a red light, did over 10km/h over, involved in an at fault accident, or and thing else life threatening i would loose my licence for 3-6 months, i would reconsider my vechile choice so if an accident did occour i would still be able to keep driving or slow down.

What do you think of that one?????

One last thing, last week i was speeding over to my sisters house (her ex boy friend was hassling her) at about 11.30 on Gardeners road Eastlakes, After a few drinks (i was under, i have my very own breath analysis), doing about 120km/h max and cruising at about 80km/h in a 60 zone, turned into her street lighting them up and swiftly moving though a dogleg, jumping out and running to her aid. When i returned to my vehicle a highway patrol officer was waiting by my ute. He said to me "were you in a hurry mate" i replied 'yes' and informed him of the situation, he checked my record ( no offence for 3 years) said that i had changed my ways (did clock 159km/h in a 60 zone once, plus a red light, no P's), i was stupid and that i should call the police if anything like this happens, told me he was the same and that he could see that i'm growing up behind the wheel now tha ti had my full licence. He didnt even breathalyse me. last thing he said was "you have a nice car, stop lighting up the hoops as one day you'll end up in a tree" - proof that he was a hoon with a licence to be one (highway patrol) using words like hoops and lighting em up. He probably could have tthrown the book at me.

So all in all we are going to do some silly things on the road at some stage regadless of age or vehicle power, all we have to do is minimise the silly occurances to minimise fatalities.

What do you think

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I can understand what you are saying on the DD's for specific cars, but I also see this as a reason for even more focus from police on these cars since the driver's licence can be taken so easily. I got done by a camera a few weeks ago in my hilux. Letter in the mail said " travelling 54kph at 2:32pm in a school zone" I was in the wrong no doubt no argument and so were the other cars that i am sure got fined along with me. But is it right for someone in a "hypo" car to lose their licence for doing 4kph over just like me?
I belive the DD's just make everyday people more aware of thier speed. If you drove anywhere in the last few days you would see that all the dickheads are still out there driving the same.
I still like the idea of young driver restrictions, not because they will be better drivers when they are allowed to drive these so called cars but because they will be more mature and their eyes will hopefully be more open to how dangerous cars actually can be.

As for Highway Patrol. In the last 2 weeks I have worked on about 7 highway patrol cars a day. ( They had a fault with a part that was fitted and were catching on fire lol and lucky me I get stuck fixing them)
I would say that "MOST" Highway Patrol are nice people, male and female. Most are rev heads and while waiting for their cars most like nothing better than checking out the other highway cars. Many are affixiated with the turbo falcons and love telling of the mods that they have done to their own private vehicles.
Next time any of you get the chance, ask a Highway Patrol what driving classes they had to do before they could become Highway Patrol, that way you will respect their opinion of your driving style.
Oh and a word of warning. In the media you always hear of there not being enough police presence in the community. Dont think this means they arent out there. The company I work for make all NSW cars, about 30 a month. And I will tell you that some of the cars you are least likely to think are unmarked police cars actually are.
"Think twice before you speed up to overtake."

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Provided that it was actually a school day, & provided that your school zone hours are the same as they are around here, then 2:32 PM puts you two minutes inside the time zone when the speed limit drops to 40kph, so they are pinging you for being 14k over the limit at 54kph

Three minutes earlier & it would still have been a 50kph zone & they would most likely have given you little more than a stern look.
Many areas now have flashing lights to warn when the slower speed time zone is in effect. Obviously not in this case.
Bummer

Yep your right, should have been 14kph. The street was a main road 70kph at other times. I know i was a bad boy. No arguing from me, just pay it and go buy another box of cornflakes.
Like they say " we learn from our mistakes "

That is why this OLD FART is re-building 2 B210 for the TWINS. ONE is ready for rego, TWO is in the making. Thay are both STD in power with updated brakes and suspension so when it is time to stop or go around it, Its only as good as the tyres and road will make it. In Q.L.D there is Auto and Manual ticket to drive. The Twins have done the lesson thing but still no Ps.Wife has auto wagon and I have the HJ 47 Landbruser Troopy/ manual (to big to learn in).B 210s are manual and not on the road. Thay are able to try for Auto ticket and pass but thay need the manual ticket to drive the B210s. The girls have done as much work on the B210s as I have and know how hard it is to pay for it from their money. After a bit of time doing the hillclimb thing I will give them a bit more grunt but if Mr PLOD write them a fine the GRUNT COMES OUT,back to 68hp if dose [ Dads motors are in the B210s].If it happends again the 280Z rims come off and the 12in wheels go on.
Think the young ones are still playin the PLAYSTATION while driving on the roads.Anything happends just hit restart, it dont work that way in the reel world dose it.
Good about time thay did that, worked on the bikers and in VIC.

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These are the most important performance uogrades one can apply, & should also be the FIRST performance upgrades on any of our cars, so Holeshot has got a good clear focus here, & with good reason.

I have only one daughter, but i will shift heaven & earth to give her the best possible chance to make me a father in law,.. & a grandfather [in that order, & in about 10 years. She's 15 now] Her first car will be mechanicly & bodily sound, like your 120Y's, with suspension & brake upgrades, & the performance will be "optimised stock' [good tune up]

It's amazing how fatherhood & sensational newspaper headlines can give us a whole new perspective on performance cars & the people who drive them.
You're a role model to us all Holeshot.

These rules 5hit me to tears at 1st ay then i realised its only for a year on ya red p's and i can get my green p's in 2 months so no biggy. i hardly think limiting the power of the car will dramatically decrease these fatalities on the roads from excessive speed, ne car can be made to go fast, i own a vr v8 5l manual commodore and id rather crash in my car than my sister barina or dads corolla they are jsut to small.
but i do beleive the young drivers arnt gettin enough driver education IN THE CAR not on paper i dun an advance driving course and am goin to wakefield raceway end of jan on the no speed limit day to see how much i really no about my car and wat i can do in it. i admit i drive like a nob every now n then but mainly at 4am after goin out i get the keys out ON MY OWN and do a few corners that i no and are fully open to see everything, but still im takin the time to take my car to the track to do it and if all is well ill take it there once a month and wont bother on the nsw roads nemore. Fact is i no to many 5hit drivers who have their p's and have written off their cars from lack of experience its jsut to easy to get ur p's now, maybe a special license for driving a v8 turbo or s/c car should be required with driver courses n more education i think thats the goer a special license for em. AND ITS ME THAT DRIVES LIKE AN IDIOT NOT THE CAR U CAN TAKE THE CAR FROM ME BUT U CANT TAKE MY DRIVING FROM ANY CAR!
just my 2cents
ps. im 18 and i am an apprentice carpenter and i need my license for work being out of school this young would make it impossible nearly to get a trade if ur u21 and cant even get a drivers license.
nick

Yeah I like that... Doing an extra course or a special license for a hi po car would be good.
Also for people who drive 4wd's...
How many times have you almost been run off the road by someone in a 4wd who cant see you because they are too high up or crossed lanes ona roundabout because their car feel like its about to tip over if they stay in their own lane...
It's been at least a week since today tonight has done a story on 4wds... They are dropping their game....

i am only 16 and i live in QLD, but i dont really think that these laws will reduce accidents and deaths on the road. i have owned a Suzuki Mighty Boy( thats right a hole 3 cylinders) for around 5 years. The car has never so much as nudged a tree. and i still had my fun ripping hand brake slides and the like, my point is that you can still have fun, but you gotta keep within your driving skills. And i could die probably easier in my car than if i was in a Gen3 ss. My car has got soft tyres, tighter suspension. And is regularly serviced, it is only well tuned, yet going down the highway the other day(i wasnt driving) we could have easily gone faster then 110. I think that city councils around the place should have more places to be an idiot and push your limits but have enough room not to hurt anyone. like have little dirt patches and a circuit, the government would probably make money on the deal!!

P.S= Severely want a 1200 ute!!, willing to work on it.

this ones been running for a while,so i'd thought i'd comment.reading the paper today,i
found more news on the death of fabrizio meoni
on tuesday during the dakar rally.i also read that another spanish rider had died from injuries from a crash last week,sad,very sad.BUT
they were in an organized event,had excellent safety gear,etc.why do i say this.because in the same paper i found an article on the death in a car accident of a 20 yr old girl i worked with at
pizza hut.she was one of the brightest,most intelligent people i knew,but still was recovering from anorexia when i last saw her.
so maybe resticting power isn't the answer,because she was driving a hyundai excel.

proper training is.full stop.i became a much better driver when i started amateur motor racing.so,if the rta isn't going to do anything
about proper training,do it yourself.join a car
club that does motorkhanas or khanacrosses,
& pick the brains of all the old farts standing round criticising the drivers.one of them might be me.i'ts good training at low speeds,can be done in a stock car,you can compete as a junior from 14,though you need parents permission for this,& any accidents are usually easily repaired.plus it's a great way to make new friends,some of whom you'd never have met any other way.when your mates are wetting themselves about getting their first car,you're out there having a blast,learning car control,& pissing off the old farts.better than being used by a daily rag to sell more papers.