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== Flange == | == Flange == | ||
- | * B110: 36 x 50 mm bolt holes. Inner circle 38 mm | + | [[H145]]: 36 x 50 mm bolt holes. Inner circle 38 mm |
- | *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19859 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/19859.jpg] | + | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=19859 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/19859.jpg] |
- | * H150: 45 x 54 mm. Inner circle 57 mm | + | [[H150]]: 45 x 54 mm. Inner circle 57 mm |
- | *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=24888 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/24888.jpg] | + | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=24888 http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/24888.jpg] |
- | * H165: Same as H150 (as measured by flange from 1978 Datsun A10) | + | * [[H165]]: Same as H150 (as measured by flange from 1978 Datsun A10) |
* [[BW60]]: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=408081#forumpost408081 same as H145 or H165 ?] | * [[BW60]]: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=408081#forumpost408081 same as H145 or H165 ?] | ||
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* [[BW68]]: 48 x 60 mm. Inner circle 46 mm ([[Australia-assembled]] 120Y sedan) NOTE: BW68 is also about 20mm longer than H145, requiring a shorter tailshaft if swapped into a 1200 | * [[BW68]]: 48 x 60 mm. Inner circle 46 mm ([[Australia-assembled]] 120Y sedan) NOTE: BW68 is also about 20mm longer than H145, requiring a shorter tailshaft if swapped into a 1200 | ||
- | H190 Round - 50 x 60 mm | + | [[H190]] Round - 50 x 60 mm (ex: Datsun [[320]]) |
- | Diagonal is 78.1 center-to-center (or 70.1 hole edge to hole edge) | + | Diagonal is 78.1 hole center-to-center (or 70.1 hole inner-edge to inner-edge) |
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+ | H190 Rectangular (ex: 510 Wagon) | ||
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== B110 Propeller Shaft Specs == | == B110 Propeller Shaft Specs == |
Revision as of 00:13, 22 March 2016
This article primarly compares B110, B210 and B310 propeller shafts. 1200 Coupe, Wagon and Sedan and are the same.
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Swap Considerations
When swapping rear axle assemblies, the rule of thumb is:
get the matching shaft with the diff
In general, all B110, B210 and B310 and B120 driveshafts are the same (or close to same) overall length, but the ends differ:
Shafts for all 3-, 4- and 5-speed 56-series and 60-series boxes are the same and only differ for the type of diff fitted.
Overview
Automatic and manual cars use different propeller shafts (aka driveshaft or tailshaft). Automatic transmissions are 15mm shorter than a standard transmission, so the auto propeller shaft assembly is 15mm longer. The shaft itself may be the same, but the yoke is longer.
56-series transmissions and 60-series transmissions are the same length, and use the same shaft. It doesn't matter if you get the transmission from a B110, B210 or B310. What matters is which differential you have.
63A 5-speed transmissions use the same input yoke as the Automatics. All you need to support the 63A transmission is the AT prop shaft.
You may need to remove the dust cover (cup on front yoke that fits over end of gearbox) for some swaps. The cup sometimes looks like its purpose is a stopper, to stop the yoke from sliding in too far (see B310 Manual Conversion, tailshaft doesn't match?).
Can you use a B210 driveshaft in a B110? Yes, IF you get the B210 driveshaft for H145 differential (A12, A13 powered B210s). Here are some driveshaft (tailshaft) considerations
- The 56 and 60 transmissions are the same length
- The automatic and standard cars use the same differential, so the back flange is the same
- Automatic and Manual Transmission cars use different shaft assemblies, apparently the shaft's slip yoke is different
- 1974 B210s (and any 12" wheeled A12-powered B210) uses the H145 diff. Other B210 models used the H150 diff which has a larger flange
- Aussie-assembled B210s used a Borg-Warner diff, so that shaft is totally different from any other
Note that all models in a generation use the same shafts -- there is no difference between coupe, sedans or wagons.
The 1971-1973 Datsun 1200 manual tailshaft is the same overall length as the B310 manual but with different flange bolt pattern at rear.
Left: B310 fits to H150 differential. Right: B110 fits to H145
B110 and B310 both use the "Japanese" differential (H145 or H150). So do most B210s, except Aussie-built B210 sedans which use a Borg-Warner differential.
Identification
Round or rectangular flange?
Specifications
Length (mm) | B | A | C | Overall | Diff |
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B10 1967-1970 | ? | 1178 | ? | ? | H145 |
1971-1974 m/t | 115 | 1189 | 30 | 1334 | H145 |
1971-1974 auto | 130 | 1189 | 30 | 1349 | H150 |
B110 Aussie | ? | ? | ? | ? | BW60 |
B120 Shortbody | ? | 1138 | ? | ? | H165 |
B120 Longbody | ? | 2-piece | ? | ? | H165 |
B210 A14 m/t | 115 | 1182 | 33 | 1330 | H150 |
B210 A14 m/t (revised) | 119 | 1178? | 33 | 1330 | H150 |
B210 A14 auto | 130 | 1182 | 33 | 1345 | H150 |
B210 Aussie | ? | ? | ? | ? | BW68 |
1976-1978 FSW5A | 130 | 1189 | 30 | 1349 | H150 |
B310 m/t | 120 | 1177 | 33 | 1330 | H150 |
B310 auto | ? | 1045 | 33 | ? | H150 |
left to right: 1200 ute, 120Y with BW, Sunny B310, 1200 Auto
B10 Propeller Shaft Specs
- 1178 mm (u-joint to u-joint)
- 63.5 mm Tube diameter. 1.6 mm thick
Flange
H145: 36 x 50 mm bolt holes. Inner circle 38 mm
H150: 45 x 54 mm. Inner circle 57 mm
- H165: Same as H150 (as measured by flange from 1978 Datsun A10)
- BW68: 48 x 60 mm. Inner circle 46 mm (Australia-assembled 120Y sedan) NOTE: BW68 is also about 20mm longer than H145, requiring a shorter tailshaft if swapped into a 1200
H190 Round - 50 x 60 mm (ex: Datsun 320) Diagonal is 78.1 hole center-to-center (or 70.1 hole inner-edge to inner-edge) post
H190 Rectangular (ex: 510 Wagon) full
B110 Propeller Shaft Specs
- Same for all 1971-1973 models (sedan/coupe/wagon)
- End-to-end length nearly same as B310 (though diff flange differs)
- 1189 mm (u-joint to u-joint)
- 68.9 mm Tube diameter. 1.6 mm thick
- 20 mm Sleeve yoke (slip yoke) diameter. 1.6 mm thick. 3.150 mm pitch splines
B110 Propeller Shaft - Nissan Part Numbers
- Various. See Propeller Shaft
B120 Pickup
The H165 differential ute, from 1971 introduction.
B120 standard-wheelbase
- Type: 2S65A 2-joint
- 1138 mm (u-joint to u-joint)
- Tube diameter: 63.5 mm (2.5 in)
- Sleeve yoke: 148.5mm (5.85 in)
- Outer diameter: 63.5 mm (2.5")
GB120 Long-body
- Unknown
B210 Propeller Shaft Specs
one-piece shaft Length measurements
- 1182 mm (u-joint to u-joint)
- 1330 mm manual (end-to-end)
- 1345 mm auto (end-to-end)
- 33 mm (rear u-joint to flange face)
- 115 mm manual (front u-joint to tip of slip yoke)
- 119 mm manual (front u-joint to tip of slip yoke), revised
- 130 mm auto (front u-joint to tip of slip yoke)
NOTE: Overall length is 4 mm shorter than B110 shaft assemblies.
Nissan Part Numbers - Manual
- 37000-H3100 manual, for H145 diff
- 37000-H7200 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER manual 4-speed, for H150 diff
- AMPCO 2 JOINT 1182X68.9X1.6
- 37000-H7300 manual, 5-speed 63 (NOTE: same as auto)
- AMPCO 2 JOINT 1182X68.9X1.6
Automatic Transmission
- 37000-H5100 Automatic, for H145 diff
- 37000-H7300 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER automatic, for H150 diff
2-piece Shafts (3 joints)
- 37000-H7500 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER (3-joint) A14 F5W63
- AMPCO 3 JOINT (440+742)X63.5X1.6
- 37000-H7510 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER (3-joint) A14T F4W60
- AMPCO 3 JOINT (440+742)X63.5X1.6
- 37000-H7900 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER (3-joint) L16 engine
These last two (2-piece shaft, 3-joints) are JDM models with a small 63.5mm diameter shaft. These were used in the L-engine powered cars.
B310 Propeller Shaft Specs
Length
- End-to-end length nearly same as B110 (though diff flange differs)
- ~1245 mm overall from rear flange face to beginning of yoke slip surface
- 1045 mm auto (u-joint to u-joint)
- 1177 mm m/t (u-joint to u-joint)
- 68.9 mm Tube diameter
- flange: 35mm (from centre u-joint to mating face)
- Type 2S56A
Nissan Part Numbers
- 37000-H8500 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER manual (56 or 60 trans)
- 37000-H8900 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER automatic
Two-piece shafts
- 37000-H9200 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER A14E up to 7909
- 37000-H9201 SHAFT ASSY-PROPELLER A14E from 7910-8010 A15E from 8011
These last two "E" models (EGI aka EFI) used a two-piece shaft with center bearing, similar to the longbed GB122 truck.
B210 vs B310 Auto Shafts
- B110 auto shaft:
- B210 auto shaft: 1345 mm (53-1/8")
- B310 auto shaft: 1208 mm (47-3/4" ).
B210 Swap Notes
The 120Y Borg Warner tailshaft has 1 inch u-joints.
The BW shaft can be modified to fit the H150 by:
- changing the rear flange to a Series 1 Bluebird one-piece tailshaft. They have the same size uni's & the rear flange fits a H165 diff, so it'll fit the H150. Just swap the rear flange onto the 120Y tailshaft, along with some new uni's.
Or
- get the Bluebird tailshaft cut down to length & the A-series front yoke fitted.
A10 specs
A10 with L20B engine
- overall length: ~1375 mm
- ~1245 mm overall from rear flange face to beginning of yoke slip surface
P510 (1600) Propeller Shaft Specs
Length
- 1082mm (u-joint to u-joint)
- 63.5 mm Tube OD, 60.3 ID
- This is just for a sedan
P610 (180b) Propeller Shaft Specs
Length
- End-to-end length 1183.5
- 1000 mm (u-joint to u-joint)
- 148.5 (end of yoke to centre of u-joint)
- 63.5 mm Tube diameter
- flange: 35mm (from centre u-joint to mating face)
- Tailshaft for Hardtop and Wagon are 2peice and I havent bothered entering this information.