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| Roller-tipped rocker arms can increase horsepower and reduce valvetrain wear. All the latest engines have them, and so can your Datsun 1200 engine. Roller rockers are available for all A-series engines. The low friction of the roller bearings & roller tip lessen the side-to-side wear of the valve guides. Higher ratios like the Datsun Competition [[Rocker arms]] increase this side thrust force, so using roller rockers seems like a good idea. | Roller-tipped rocker arms can increase horsepower and reduce valvetrain wear. All the latest engines have them, and so can your Datsun 1200 engine. Roller rockers are available for all A-series engines. The low friction of the roller bearings & roller tip lessen the side-to-side wear of the valve guides. Higher ratios like the Datsun Competition [[Rocker arms]] increase this side thrust force, so using roller rockers seems like a good idea. | ||
| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=1714 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/1714.jpg] Malvern Racing | + | = Overview = |
| - | + | {{Album|1714}} Malvern Racing | |
| On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with stock-type rocker arms. Even some race engine builders after experimenting with rollers have gone back to the bulletproof stock-type rockers. | On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with stock-type rocker arms. Even some race engine builders after experimenting with rollers have gone back to the bulletproof stock-type rockers. | ||
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| Roller rockers are about $750 AUD, camshaft $150+ Springs $120. | Roller rockers are about $750 AUD, camshaft $150+ Springs $120. | ||
| - | + | JB Racing | |
| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9027 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/9027.jpg] JB Racing | + | <br>{{Album|9027}} |
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| Can you use roller rockers on street cars? Yes, many new cars use them for slightly increased fuel economy. They are only significant however for high-rpm or high-lift camshift-fitted engines. High RPM speedway mini sprinter engines with A12s that run at 10,000 RPM use roller rockers fairly commonly. | Can you use roller rockers on street cars? Yes, many new cars use them for slightly increased fuel economy. They are only significant however for high-rpm or high-lift camshift-fitted engines. High RPM speedway mini sprinter engines with A12s that run at 10,000 RPM use roller rockers fairly commonly. | ||
| - | + | Yella Terra | |
| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=4413 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/4413.jpg] Yella Terra | + | <br>{{Album|4413}} |
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| You can option them in mixed sets if you want different inlet and exhaust ratios. Consult with your cam grinder before you do this. The ratios should not compete with the camshaft. | You can option them in mixed sets if you want different inlet and exhaust ratios. Consult with your cam grinder before you do this. The ratios should not compete with the camshaft. | ||
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| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=4757 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/4757.jpg][http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=4758 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/4758.jpg] | + | |
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| - | NOTE: | + | |
| * Like most custom valvetrain parts, fitting these requires precise measurement and assembly. Custom-length [[Pushrods]] will undoubtedly be required or you'll end up with an engine that goes bad or makes excessive noise and won't rev any higher. See [[Rocker geometry]]. | * Like most custom valvetrain parts, fitting these requires precise measurement and assembly. Custom-length [[Pushrods]] will undoubtedly be required or you'll end up with an engine that goes bad or makes excessive noise and won't rev any higher. See [[Rocker geometry]]. | ||
| - | *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=4355 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/4355.jpg] | + | *: {{Album|4355}} |
| + | * Rollers are usually a lot bulkier, and may hit the rocker covers. You can use a high-profile allow cover or a customized rocker cover if necessary. This rocker cover is made from two joined together to clear the roller rockers | ||
| + | *: {{Album|44}} | ||
| - | * Rollers are usually a lot bulkier, and may hit the rocker covers. You can use a high-profile allow cover or a customized rocker cover if necessary. Rocker cover is made from two joined together to clear the roller rockers | ||
| - | *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=44 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/44.jpg] | ||
| * Possibly you will need special valve springs, especially if the rockers have a higher-than before ratio | * Possibly you will need special valve springs, especially if the rockers have a higher-than before ratio | ||
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| Reportedly, stock pushrods bend excessive at RPMs higher than stock (the [[A12GX Engine]] has a 6600 RPM redline). Putting in decent pushrods makes a huge difference in the effective lift at high rpm. | Reportedly, stock pushrods bend excessive at RPMs higher than stock (the [[A12GX Engine]] has a 6600 RPM redline). Putting in decent pushrods makes a huge difference in the effective lift at high rpm. | ||
| + | {{UploadPost|9546_4a6f7bde8c31e.jpg|266302}} {{UploadPost|9546_4a6f7c72288b3.jpg|266302}} | ||
| - | == Vendors == | + | = Vendors = |
| - | For a complete list of vendors and contact information, see [[Parts Reference#Valve Train]]. | + | See: [[Parts Sources]] for current details and contact information for these vendors. |
| + | ROCKERS | ||
| + | * Nismo 1.52 to 1 ratio rockers | ||
| + | * Malvern Racing - Custom built Roller tipped Aluminum rockers for Nissan A-series | ||
| + | * Yella Terra Roller Rockers - $834-$895 AUD | ||
| + | #: Discussion: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12531&forum=1 Yella Terra Roller Rockers] | ||
| Malvern racing have aluminum tipped custom roller rockers for Datsun A-series engines in 4 different ratios, about $600 USD | Malvern racing have aluminum tipped custom roller rockers for Datsun A-series engines in 4 different ratios, about $600 USD | ||
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| JB Racing offers roller rockers: | JB Racing offers roller rockers: | ||
| * roller TIP rockers using a stock shaft with bushings | * roller TIP rockers using a stock shaft with bushings | ||
| - | *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9027 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/9027.jpg] | + | *: {{Album|9027}} |
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| - | == Yella Terra Brand == | + | = Yella Terra Brand = |
| [[Parts Sources|Yella Terra]] sells roller rockers to fit [[Nissan A-Series engines]]. The roller rockers come in 1.54:1 or 1.65:1 ratios (stockers are 1.44:1). They weigh 10g more than standard rockers, but have improved friction properties so should allow higher revs--if the valve springs allow it. | [[Parts Sources|Yella Terra]] sells roller rockers to fit [[Nissan A-Series engines]]. The roller rockers come in 1.54:1 or 1.65:1 ratios (stockers are 1.44:1). They weigh 10g more than standard rockers, but have improved friction properties so should allow higher revs--if the valve springs allow it. | ||
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| + | {{Album|4757}} {{Album|4758}} | ||
| No Longer available: | No Longer available: | ||
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| Oiling is provided in the normal way, but oil is fed to the individual rockers from the top of the shaft so that it will run down & lube ALL of the needles. | Oiling is provided in the normal way, but oil is fed to the individual rockers from the top of the shaft so that it will run down & lube ALL of the needles. | ||
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| In Australia the FOB price from Yella Terra was $834-#895 AUD in 2004. From Rocket in Sydney, [02 8825 1900] a quoted price in 2004 was $766-20 plus freight. | In Australia the FOB price from Yella Terra was $834-#895 AUD in 2004. From Rocket in Sydney, [02 8825 1900] a quoted price in 2004 was $766-20 plus freight. | ||
| Compatible pushrods are an extra cost item. | Compatible pushrods are an extra cost item. | ||
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| Perfectune Engineering/Yella Terra no longer make the pushrods and they sold all the manufacturing tooling to "Head Stud Development" in Melbourne. You can use adjustable or custom-length [[wikipedia:Chevrolet small block V8]] pushrods. They use a 8mm (5/16") ball end. For A14/A15, these should be somewhere around 6.600-6.650 inches long (SBC +0.50 to +0.100), depending on the thickness of your engine block deck, cylinder head milling, production variance, valve length, and compressed gasket thickness. | Perfectune Engineering/Yella Terra no longer make the pushrods and they sold all the manufacturing tooling to "Head Stud Development" in Melbourne. You can use adjustable or custom-length [[wikipedia:Chevrolet small block V8]] pushrods. They use a 8mm (5/16") ball end. For A14/A15, these should be somewhere around 6.600-6.650 inches long (SBC +0.50 to +0.100), depending on the thickness of your engine block deck, cylinder head milling, production variance, valve length, and compressed gasket thickness. | ||
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| Pushrods need to be diferent lengths for the A10/A12 vs A14/A15 blocks. | Pushrods need to be diferent lengths for the A10/A12 vs A14/A15 blocks. | ||
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| After [[Valve Adjustment]] to the Cam grinder's specifications, the Yella Terra rocker adjusters should have 3-4 threads showing above the locknuts. | After [[Valve Adjustment]] to the Cam grinder's specifications, the Yella Terra rocker adjusters should have 3-4 threads showing above the locknuts. | ||
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| Also See: | Also See: | ||
| * [http://members.iinet.net.au/~dattoman_1000/engineparts.htm Steve's Yella Terra-fitted A15] | * [http://members.iinet.net.au/~dattoman_1000/engineparts.htm Steve's Yella Terra-fitted A15] | ||
| - | + | = Valve Train Noise at High RPM = | |
| - | == Valve Train Noise at High RPM == | + | |
| If you hear valve train noise at say 8000 RPM, check two things: | If you hear valve train noise at say 8000 RPM, check two things: | ||
| * [[Rocker geometry]] | * [[Rocker geometry]] | ||
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| * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12531&forum=1 Beware you would be users of Yella Terra Roller Rockers] | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=12531&forum=1 Beware you would be users of Yella Terra Roller Rockers] | ||
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| [[Category:Engine Modifications]] | [[Category:Engine Modifications]] | ||
Current revision
Roller-tipped rocker arms can increase horsepower and reduce valvetrain wear. All the latest engines have them, and so can your Datsun 1200 engine. Roller rockers are available for all A-series engines. The low friction of the roller bearings & roller tip lessen the side-to-side wear of the valve guides. Higher ratios like the Datsun Competition Rocker arms increase this side thrust force, so using roller rockers seems like a good idea.
Contents |
Overview
Malvern Racing
On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with stock-type rocker arms. Even some race engine builders after experimenting with rollers have gone back to the bulletproof stock-type rockers.
Roller rockers are about $750 AUD, camshaft $150+ Springs $120.
JB Racing
Can you use roller rockers on street cars? Yes, many new cars use them for slightly increased fuel economy. They are only significant however for high-rpm or high-lift camshift-fitted engines. High RPM speedway mini sprinter engines with A12s that run at 10,000 RPM use roller rockers fairly commonly.
Yella Terra
You can option them in mixed sets if you want different inlet and exhaust ratios. Consult with your cam grinder before you do this. The ratios should not compete with the camshaft.
NOTES:
- Like most custom valvetrain parts, fitting these requires precise measurement and assembly. Custom-length Pushrods will undoubtedly be required or you'll end up with an engine that goes bad or makes excessive noise and won't rev any higher. See Rocker geometry.
-
- Rollers are usually a lot bulkier, and may hit the rocker covers. You can use a high-profile allow cover or a customized rocker cover if necessary. This rocker cover is made from two joined together to clear the roller rockers
-
- Possibly you will need special valve springs, especially if the rockers have a higher-than before ratio
Reportedly, stock pushrods bend excessive at RPMs higher than stock (the A12GX Engine has a 6600 RPM redline). Putting in decent pushrods makes a huge difference in the effective lift at high rpm.
Vendors
See: Parts Sources for current details and contact information for these vendors.
ROCKERS
- Nismo 1.52 to 1 ratio rockers
- Malvern Racing - Custom built Roller tipped Aluminum rockers for Nissan A-series
- Yella Terra Roller Rockers - $834-$895 AUD
- Discussion: Yella Terra Roller Rockers
Malvern racing have aluminum tipped custom roller rockers for Datsun A-series engines in 4 different ratios, about $600 USD
JB Racing offers roller rockers:
- roller TIP rockers using a stock shaft with bushings
-
Yella Terra Brand
Yella Terra sells roller rockers to fit Nissan A-Series engines. The roller rockers come in 1.54:1 or 1.65:1 ratios (stockers are 1.44:1). They weigh 10g more than standard rockers, but have improved friction properties so should allow higher revs--if the valve springs allow it.
No Longer available:
- YT6023 1.55 ratio (kit: includes rockers, shaft & pedestals)
- YT6024 1.65 ratio
- TY6304 1.55 ratio
Features:
- Rockers are alloy
- Needle rollers for the main pivot
- Pedestals are alloy
- Shaft is hardened steel (main pedestal shaft that is) - this is a larger diameter than stock
- Rockers are longer and pedestals are in orig position
- No mods to head required (but YT sales said custom machine work is needed)
- Tips are roller
- Pushrods need to be changed to "standard" type pushrods
- High strength alloy rocker arms that are as much as 5 times the strength of stock units
Oiling is provided in the normal way, but oil is fed to the individual rockers from the top of the shaft so that it will run down & lube ALL of the needles.
In Australia the FOB price from Yella Terra was $834-#895 AUD in 2004. From Rocket in Sydney, [02 8825 1900] a quoted price in 2004 was $766-20 plus freight.
Compatible pushrods are an extra cost item.
Perfectune Engineering/Yella Terra no longer make the pushrods and they sold all the manufacturing tooling to "Head Stud Development" in Melbourne. You can use adjustable or custom-length wikipedia:Chevrolet small block V8 pushrods. They use a 8mm (5/16") ball end. For A14/A15, these should be somewhere around 6.600-6.650 inches long (SBC +0.50 to +0.100), depending on the thickness of your engine block deck, cylinder head milling, production variance, valve length, and compressed gasket thickness.
- Iskenderian pushrod PN# 1235L+.50 or 1235L+.100
- Iskenderian adjustable pushrod
- Cut-to-length pushrods
- Crow Cams pushrods (chrome-moly)
Pushrods need to be diferent lengths for the A10/A12 vs A14/A15 blocks.
After Valve Adjustment to the Cam grinder's specifications, the Yella Terra rocker adjusters should have 3-4 threads showing above the locknuts.
Also See:
Valve Train Noise at High RPM
If you hear valve train noise at say 8000 RPM, check two things:
- Rocker geometry
- Rocker arm shaft deflection
- Shaft flattens out over time and become noisy in operation
Discusions: