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Here is a 63A dogleg box same as A10 L16SSS uses but with the A series bell housing  from the factory.
The 63A box is currently behind my 2 litre L series in my sunny coupe. They are tough!!!!

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B120dat
Posted: 2003/5/1 12:19  Updated: 2003/5/1 12:19
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
looks very clean Errol i like it

you have so much datto stuff you could have a datto garage sale one day

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AFRacer
Posted: 2003/5/1 18:29  Updated: 2003/5/1 18:29
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
That looks like the same transmission I have in my 1200. Except mine came from a 77-78 B210 5 speed. It IS a tough tranny...I wonder if the internals are the same as the L series dog leg? Mine is gonna need a rebuild sometime soon...synchro's are worn and sounds like some of the main bearings are whining a bit. I also wonder if parts can swap over from 280Z 5 speeds...I mean they have the same size input/output shaft...just the bellhousing is different, meant to suit the A series. Anybody ever get one of these rebuilt? Are they hard/expensive to get parts for?

-Andy

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2003/5/2 5:38  Updated: 2003/5/2 5:38
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
The doglegs all come from the B210s. The B310 used (at least in the US) the lighter 5-speed (the one with the standard shift pattern). Lighter is better unless you have more torque than the lighter box is rated for.

For the discussion of swapping internals, see 5 speed hybrid??

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Posted: 2003/12/10 0:20  Updated: 2003/12/10 0:20
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
How did you change the housing for the L series if its a bellhousing for the A series??
confusing details...

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Posted: 2003/12/10 0:42  Updated: 2003/12/10 0:42
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The boxes are madewith A series input shafts and bell housings to suit hydraulic clutch A series engines.

The gears and bearings in the box are the same part numbers as a stanza 5 speed box.

I am using a stanza box behind my 2 litre in the sunny coupe.

I have two of these boxes, one of which looks like going behind an A15 turbo eventually.

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Team_Dat
Posted: 2004/3/13 13:07  Updated: 2004/3/13 13:07
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
so are the bellhousings interchangable between the 2 series of engine the L and A?
if so what box's?

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2004/3/13 21:46  Updated: 2004/3/13 21:46
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No one knows the answer ... see discussion at 5 speed hybrid??

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feral
Posted: 2004/3/13 23:52  Updated: 2004/3/13 23:52
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The 63A box has been used behind A series, L series 4 cylinders, Z18S & Z20E engines that I know of. In OZ they are found in stanza SSS, 180B & 200B SSS vehicles. The 63A boxes in the above applications use one of two types of gearsets.

The FS5W63A has the following ratios, 3.657, 2.177, 1.419, 1:1, 0.852. This is the wide ratio box used for heavier vehicles.

The FS5C63A has the following ratios 3.382, 2.013, 1.312, 1:1, 0.854. These are the most common ratios in the 63A box.

The input shaft for the box and the front gearbox cover, forward of the sandwich plate are changed depending on the engine the box is to be bolted to.

The length variations in the 63A boxes are from having different length input shaft/front covers and main shaft/extension housings, depending on application.

If you wanted to change an OZ L series stanza five speed to suit A series you would need the A series input shaft and the A series front cover/bellhousing.

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ddgonzal
Posted: 2004/3/14 3:06  Updated: 2004/3/14 3:06
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So where do you get a 63a front housing for an A-series engine?

The big question is ... since the 63a 5-speed is more common for L-series engine, can you fit a common 4-speed front housing for A-series engine on it?

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Posted: 2004/3/14 4:19  Updated: 2004/3/14 4:19
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
Quote:
I have two of these boxes, one of which looks like going behind an A15 turbo eventually.


hey feral, if you like putting em behind a15 turbos, i know of another a15 turbo that the other one could be put behind

just jokes mate, wish i could fit one of those babies in the budget

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converted
Posted: 2004/9/27 7:32  Updated: 2004/9/27 7:32
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
just about to pick up a 63a option 1 gear box...anyone know the ratios on this box?

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Posted: 2005/6/24 13:25  Updated: 2005/6/24 13:25
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
So if..... to make a 63a box we need an A series bellhousing and imput shaft then wouldnt it be easier to...

make a 60 series dogleg stanza 5 speed into an A-series dogleg 60 series 5 speed with the 60 series housing and imput shaft commonly found in sunnys?????

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Posted: 2005/6/24 13:50  Updated: 2005/6/24 13:50
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If i remember what was writen in the thread on the subject, the number that we use to refer to the series of the gearbox is the distance between two parts of the gearbox. I had thought that it was the centerline of the main drive shaft & the centerline of the cluster, but 56mm [for the small box] seems a bit close to me.

Anyway, if this is correct, even it it isn't the measurement between these shafts, then the internals from one series will not fit another series of gearbox case.
If you can find a 63 series gearbox case [bellhousing] for an A series Datsun engine, then in all likelihood, you will find that the rest of the gearbox is still attached, so you won't need a donor Stanza box.
I don't believe that trying to install Stanza internals into a 60 series four speed case will produce anything but tears.

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Posted: 2005/6/24 13:56  Updated: 2005/6/24 13:56
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
I just as thought that if the 60 series is available with both bellhousings A and L series then an A series one will fit the L stanza box with the extra 5th gear.
As feral has said with the 63a. But like many say finding a 63 series a series is almost impossible even with a 4 speed behind it.

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Posted: 2005/6/25 0:39  Updated: 2005/6/25 0:39
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 Re: DOGLEG 63A A SERIES BOX
No these bellhousings are all one piece with the whole gearbox casing...L tpye boxes could not be adaptedto A series engines or vice versa....
However once u have a 63A box for an A series I believe the internals would be interchangeable with an L series box, as they use the L series input and output shafts.......