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CBR1000RR injector dead time?
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I know a couple of people have played with bike quad throttle bodies on here. I've finally got my setup starting and running but am having trouble getting a stable idle. The EGO is hunting and I think the problem is incorrect dead time (opening time) setting in my MSII. What have other people used? Anyone know a good resource? I don't really want to build a test jig to measure it. I guess the value for flow I got off the net could be suspect also.

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any chance of a pic?

Posted on: 2013/11/24 13:00
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hi I have 38mm zx6 t/b with zx10 injectors and i have only had a base map done and got close to 100kw [96some odd] so with proper tuning could possibly be over 100 and they were s/hand from one of our top bike racers here [danie maritz]. I looked for the specs but the bike inj specs are not so freely available. The setup ; ali tank,VW kombi fuel pump with exit side almost as thick as your thumb [normal fingers lol] then to rail then fuel pre reg[adjustable]then return pipe to tank.Gotech ecu,hall type dizzy.Iwas going to race but change of mind & now taking it back to road to get real use.OH big thing--- remember the argument about the v/stacks -- D and L18 B110 well I had a problem my t/bodies are round and oval on the v/stack side ---so why that? well i read an article about airflow and petrol mixture with the oval intake AND i went onto one of the American race sites [chaps race the hotrods with bike engines and they are keen to help]They have a chap to answer fueling,suspension,elec,etc etc.they told me to get rid of the b/fly cos that thing wants to breathe and thats what they do -- so took a chance and it's ok. now back to the v/stacks --as i said they oval so what now --well who says drinking and driving dont go together --they do -- i took 4 of the round s/steel drinking cups [for camping],checked specs for lengths cutthe bottoms off and bobs your uncle v/stack. they are round but if you squeeze it when fitting they are oval. Only one prob i had it cut and chap says he had to put wood inside cos s/s is so thin and make your own lip. SOooo no more drinking only one gas guzzling datto. I actually left my car for more than a year now cos gotta provide for rainy day so busy with prop deal[no2]Well thats it i think it's ok & the gotech or any ecu should work if installed CORRECTLY. I was told not gotech --let me tell you i've done way out things and the ecu is ok.Prossie and mechie both earn money on their backs lol.

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a pic of what?

If its hunting i would have thought its in the tune. i cant remember playing with any of the injector dead time stuff. do you have a wideband on it?

Posted on: 2013/11/24 22:34
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I've been thinking about it more. I know the dead time's wrong because it over fuels at low RPM. The hunting I think is because there's some feedback happening somewhere and it's not right. I do have WB, I think I need to change a few settings in the tune and try again.

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do you have the ego correction turned off? you need to have anything that can influence your tune turned off until you get a good state of tune other wise you will just chase your tale, also check the warm up enrichment isn't adding to much fuel.
if you are using itb's and a big cam you may not be getting a steady manifold signal so you may need to join the itb's with a synchronising hose and maybe put a restriction in the line. alfa/n setting is an option as well altho its a compromise.
is it fuel and spark or fuel only?

http://www.msextra.com/forums/index.p ... 2d4e84d01f65137a77087bdae

http://www.msextra.com/doc/index.html

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Thanks for the replys.

There's a good steady manifold pressure, the ITBs came with a vacuum manifold and built in restrictor. Standard cam.

I got the ignition setup and working before swapping the head and injection on so at least it's only trouble shooting one thing at a time.

It's looking like I'll have to build a jig to measure the flow. Knowing the injection parameters will make it much easier to get a base tune and also allow me to get the VE map right.

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Pic was just for a perv

Posted on: 2013/11/25 9:19
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I remember seen an earlier pic very pretty curved setup but never mind I see one of the inlets is blocked

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