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-	The stock rear brakes are fairly good, a large (for such a light car) 8" x 1.75 brake shoe. Make sure the brakes and clean and adjusted correctly. Using a performance pad will improve it.	+	The stock rear brakes are fairly good, using large (for such a light car) 8" x 1.75 brake shoes. Make sure the brakes are clean and [[Brake Adjustment|adjusted correctly every 3 months]]. Using a performance pad will improve it. But for coolness sake... read on.
-	But for coolness sake... read on.	+	{{Brake_Mods_Navbox}}
		+
		+	= Overview =
		+	There are two main steps to adding disc brakes to a rear axle:
		+	# Fitting the brake rotor to the axles
		+	# Fitting a caliper bracket to the axle housing
		+
		+	Example: Bracket for Nissan S30 rear for R32 calipers
		+	<br>(similar to Nissan 44155-N3202 but made out of aluminum)
		+	<br>{{Album|11230}}
		+
		+	= R31 Australia =
		+	You can fit the Australian-built [[R31]] Pintara/Skyline disc brakes onto H145/H150 or H165 axle assemblies.
		+
		+	{{SeeMainArticle!|R31 Rear Disc Brake Swap}}{{Upload!|10076_4cf2acdd6c123.jpg}}
		+
		+	= R32 =
		+	Pigdog adapted [[R32_Brakes#Nissan_Alloy_Twin-Piston_Caliper|R32 calipers]]
		+	<br>{{Album|13476}}
		+
		+	300ZX rotors turned down to 290mm, 4-lug pattern drilled
		+	<br>{{Album|13269}}
		+
		+	Z31 300ZX 5-lug
		+	* [http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/nissan,1988,300zx,3.0l+v6+turbocharged,1209619,brake/wheel+hub,rotor,1896 280 x 26 mm] height 54 DBA 907
		+	* [http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/nissan,1988,300zx,3.0l+v6+turbocharged,1209619,brake/wheel+hub,rotor,1896 282 x 20 mm] height 57.5
		+	Rear
		+	* -8509 290 x 10mm height 47 DBA 605
		+	* 8510- 280 x 18mm height DBA 927
		+	* Turbo: all years use 927 part
		+
		+	Z32 300ZX
		+	* 280 x 30 mm height 54 DBA 909
		+	* 292 x 18 mm height 64 DBA 908
	= H145 =		= H145 =
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	[http://www.pitroad-ts.com/A-parts-2/braket-page.htm?SLANG=ja&TLANG=en&XTYPE=0 Pitroad rear disc adapters for B110]		[http://www.pitroad-ts.com/A-parts-2/braket-page.htm?SLANG=ja&TLANG=en&XTYPE=0 Pitroad rear disc adapters for B110]
	* Uses late model S130 (280ZX) caliper and rotor (I think it says it uses Skyline HR30 adapters)		* Uses late model S130 (280ZX) caliper and rotor (I think it says it uses Skyline HR30 adapters)
		+
		+	44155-N3202 machined with:
		+	* 4 new holes for the H145 pattern
		+	* an insert for the smaller diameter axle tube interface
	http://www.pitroad-ts.com/pitroad-car/biko-r.JPG		http://www.pitroad-ts.com/pitroad-car/biko-r.JPG
	http://www.pitroad-ts.com/A-oldparts/H145-3.jpg		http://www.pitroad-ts.com/A-oldparts/H145-3.jpg
-	<blockquote><hr>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=10735&forum=1&start=80 Andy:] The Pitroad rear disk brake kit only includes the brackets, E-brake cables, axle sleeve thingys, clips, rubber brake hoses, and axle bolts. You supply the calipers, pads, and rotors from an 82-83 280ZX, as well as new oil seals for the axles, wheel bearings, etc. It's pretty straight forward, you have to pull off the old drum brake assemblies and put on their new bracket just before you put the new wheel bearings in. You do have to drill two really small holes on the E brake cable holder, but other than that it's really easy.<hr></blockquote>	+	<blockquote>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=10735&forum=1&start=80 Andy:] The Pitroad rear disk brake kit only includes the brackets, E-brake cables, axle sleeve thingys, clips, rubber brake hoses, and axle bolts. You supply the calipers, pads, and rotors from an 82-83 280ZX, as well as new oil seals for the axles, wheel bearings, etc. It's pretty straight forward, you have to pull off the old drum brake assemblies and put on their new bracket just before you put the new wheel bearings in. You do have to drill two really small holes on the E brake cable holder, but other than that it's really easy.</blockquote>
	In general, 1982 280ZX and 300ZX has a smaller rear caliper with larger pads than the early (1979-1981) 280ZX. The offset of the early vs. late caliper is quite different.		In general, 1982 280ZX and 300ZX has a smaller rear caliper with larger pads than the early (1979-1981) 280ZX. The offset of the early vs. late caliper is quite different.
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	To fit AE86 calipers on B110 rear axle housing, create an adapter.		To fit AE86 calipers on B110 rear axle housing, create an adapter.
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=21441 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/21441.jpg]	+	{{Album|21441}}
		+
		+	== Trix ==
		+	Skyline disc rotor
		+	<br>{{Album|18773}} {{Album|19195}}
		+
		+	Civic rear caliper with integrated handbrake
		+	<br>{{Album|19193}} {{Album|19194}} {{Album|19192}}
		+
		+	== U12 ==
		+	Australia U12 Pintara 1989-1992 rear discs
		+	Same as [[280ZX Brake Upgrade]] discs, but 45 mm height instead of 47 mm
		+	DBA 614
		+	* Vent Solid
		+	* Diameter 258
		+	* Height 45
		+	* Thickness 10
		+	* Centre Hole Dia 68
		+
		+	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=470830#forumpost470830 quik1000's rear caliper mounts] are a bolt on for either H145 or H165 axles. Uses [[R31]] Skyline Girlock calipers.
		+	<br>{{Album|25921}} {{Album|25922}}
		+
		+	S13 AUS/USA [[S13_Brakes#Rear_Rotor|43206-35F00]] rear rotors may also fit
		+	* 1 mm thinner
		+	* 1.5 mm higher
	= H165 =		= H165 =
	== Sentra Rotor Adaption ==		== Sentra Rotor Adaption ==
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16087 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16087.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16450 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16450.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16144http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16144.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16448 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16448.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16465 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16465.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=18050 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/18050.jpg]	+	3rotor designed bracket for box-shape Sentra (Nissan [[Sunny#B12|Sunny B12]]) calipers, to fit 240mm rotor. The same bracket can also fit Maxima 250mm rotor.
-	Moar Piccies! See [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/viewcat.php?uid=6740&num=25&orderby=dateD&pos=8 3rotor's gallery]	+	The rotors slip over the hub (floating type). The pattern must be re-drilled to 4 x 4.5" (4 x 114.3 mm) before it will slip on. Center hole also needs enlarging.
		+
		+	[http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/nissan,1988,sentra,1.6l+l4,1368626,brake/wheel+hub,rotor,1896 Rockauto.com]
		+	Nissan 40206-61A11
		+	BREMBO 08493210
		+	Centric 121.42031
		+	Solid floating type
		+	Diameter 240.3 mm
		+	Height 45.1 mm
		+	Nom. Thick 12 mm
		+	Hub Reg 11 61 mm
		+	Bolt circle: 4 x 100 mm
		+	Weight 9.5 lbs
		+
		+	Moar Piccies! See [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/viewcat.php?uid=6740&num=50&orderby=dateD&pos=8 3rotor's gallery]
		+
		+	{{Album|18038}} {{AlbumH|18050}} {{AlbumH|16087}} {{AlbumH|16450}} {{AlbumH|16144}} {{AlbumH|16448}} {{AlbumH|16465}} {{AlbumH|16440}}
	== Factory Disc Adapters ==		== Factory Disc Adapters ==
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	=== Disc Over Drum ===		=== Disc Over Drum ===
-	You can do a conversion to a H165 ute diff with a TRX bluebird disc rear or R31 skyline/pintara disc rear setup.	+	"Disc Over Drum" -- easy conversion for H165 or H190 diffs! Fits over 14" wheels. Rotor approximately 280mm. Find an Australia-built [[Bluebird]] with rear discs and swap the brakes over to the H165.
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-	Find an Aussie [[Bluebird]] with rear discs and just swap everything over. This uses the drum shoes as an emergency brake.	+
-		+
-	[http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii210/Jakeb110/P1020071.jpg http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii210/Jakeb110/th_P1020071.jpg]	+
-	"Disc Over Drum" -- easy conversion for H165 or H190 diffs!	+	{{SeeMainArticle!|Disc Over Drum}}
-	<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2320 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2320.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3294 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/3294.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16590 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16590.jpg]	+	{{ThumbH!|2320}} {{ThumbH!|3294}} {{ThumbH!|16590}}
-	[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=17285 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/17285.jpg]	+
	=== 910 ===		=== 910 ===
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	1200 use: same as 240Z?		1200 use: same as 240Z?
-	<img size=140>http://home.earthlink.net/~zcarfan/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/early_maxima_bracket.jpg</img> [http://home.earthlink.net/~zcarfan/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/early_maxima_bracket.jpg fullsize]	+	{{Photo2|early_maxima_bracket.jpg}}
	==== Wide Pattern ====		==== Wide Pattern ====
	Use the same install method as the Pitroad adapters (above). The Pitroad units appear to be 44155-N3202 machined with 4 new holes for the H145 pattern, and an insert for the smaller diameter axle tube interface.		Use the same install method as the Pitroad adapters (above). The Pitroad units appear to be 44155-N3202 machined with 4 new holes for the H145 pattern, and an insert for the smaller diameter axle tube interface.
-	<img size=140>http://240z.jeromio.com/images/RearDiscBracketSized.JPG</img>[http://240z.jeromio.com/images/RearDiscBracketSized.JPG fullsize]	+	{{Photo2|RearDiscBracketSized.jpg}}
	44155-04S10 ADAPTER-CALIPER 44165		44155-04S10 ADAPTER-CALIPER 44165
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	44001 CALIPER ASSY-REAR RH,W/O PADS OR SHIMS		44001 CALIPER ASSY-REAR RH,W/O PADS OR SHIMS
	44001-04S90 0781- <2> D4001-04S90		44001-04S90 0781- <2> D4001-04S90
-	240Z use: use late 280ZX caliper & rotor	+
-	[http://www.zcarcreations.com/images/Mbracket.jpg http://www.zcarcreations.com/images/Mbracket_small.jpg] [http://www.zcarcreations.com/images/Lside-caliper.jpg http://www.zcarcreations.com/images/Lside-caliper_small.jpg]	+	240Z use: use late 280ZX caliper & rotor
-	1200 use: 1982-1983 280ZX (Late ZX) caliper & Rotor	+	<br>{{Photo2|Mbracket.jpg}} {{Photo2|Lside-caliper.jpg}}
		+
		+	1200 use: 1982-1983 280ZX (Late ZX) caliper & Rotor
	Compare various methods of use: [http://zhome.com/rnt/FordPower/BrakeUpdate.html Z Home]		Compare various methods of use: [http://zhome.com/rnt/FordPower/BrakeUpdate.html Z Home]
	1985-88 Maxima (Bluebird) FWD bracket, the ID of the opening is different, and the offset is different. Machining needed, see [http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/37115-rear-disc-conversion-pics/page__view__findpost__p__491262 HybridZ]		1985-88 Maxima (Bluebird) FWD bracket, the ID of the opening is different, and the offset is different. Machining needed, see [http://forums.hybridz.org/index.php/topic/37115-rear-disc-conversion-pics/page__view__findpost__p__491262 HybridZ]
-	<br>[http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/bjhines/1972%20240Z%20history/brakes/Rear%20brake%20research/unmodifiedbracketflat.jpg http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f127/bjhines/1972%20240Z%20history/brakes/Rear%20brake%20research/th_unmodifiedbracketflat.jpg]	+	<br>{{Photo2|unmodifiedbracketflat.jpg}}
	= Rear Axle Swaps=		= Rear Axle Swaps=
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	== Mad Dat Kit ==		== Mad Dat Kit ==
-	[http://maddat.com.au/1200.php Mad Dat] sells a narrowed Nissan rear axle assembly with disc brakes. Shortened R31 28 spline unit (looks like an R31 C200A unit).	+	[http://maddat.com.au/1200.php Mad Dat] sells a narrowed Nissan rear axle assembly with disc brakes. Shortened R31 28 spline unit (looks like an Aussie R31 BW78 unit).
		+
		+	{{SeeMainArticle!|Mad Dat Diff}}
		+
		+	{{Album|6407}} {{Album|6393}}
	[[Category:Brake System]]		[[Category:Brake System]]
	[[Category:Brake Modifications]]		[[Category:Brake Modifications]]

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Current revision

The stock rear brakes are fairly good, using large (for such a light car) 8" x 1.75 brake shoes. Make sure the brakes are clean and adjusted correctly every 3 months. Using a performance pad will improve it. But for coolness sake... read on.

Contents 1 Overview 2 R31 Australia 3 R32 4 H145 4.1 Pitroad Kit 4.2 AE86 4.3 Trix 4.4 U12 5 H165 5.1 Sentra Rotor Adaption 5.2 Factory Disc Adapters 5.2.1 Disc Over Drum 5.2.2 910 5.2.2.1 Narrow Pattern 5.2.2.2 Wide Pattern 6 Rear Axle Swaps 6.1 Mad Dat Kit

Overview

There are two main steps to adding disc brakes to a rear axle:

1. Fitting the brake rotor to the axles
2. Fitting a caliper bracket to the axle housing

Example: Bracket for Nissan S30 rear for R32 calipers
(similar to Nissan 44155-N3202 but made out of aluminum)
Album 11230

R31 Australia

You can fit the Australian-built R31 Pintara/Skyline disc brakes onto H145/H150 or H165 axle assemblies.

R32

Pigdog adapted R32 calipers
Album 13476

300ZX rotors turned down to 290mm, 4-lug pattern drilled
Album 13269

Z31 300ZX 5-lug
* 280 x 26 mm height 54 DBA 907
* 282 x 20 mm height 57.5
Rear
* -8509  290 x 10mm height 47 DBA 605
* 8510-  280 x 18mm height  DBA 927
* Turbo: all years use 927 part

Z32 300ZX
* 280 x 30 mm height 54 DBA 909
* 292 x 18 mm height 64 DBA 908

H145

Pitroad Kit

Pitroad rear disc adapters for B110

• Uses late model S130 (280ZX) caliper and rotor (I think it says it uses Skyline HR30 adapters)

44155-N3202 machined with:
* 4 new holes for the H145 pattern
* an insert for the smaller diameter axle tube interface

Andy: The Pitroad rear disk brake kit only includes the brackets, E-brake cables, axle sleeve thingys, clips, rubber brake hoses, and axle bolts. You supply the calipers, pads, and rotors from an 82-83 280ZX, as well as new oil seals for the axles, wheel bearings, etc. It's pretty straight forward, you have to pull off the old drum brake assemblies and put on their new bracket just before you put the new wheel bearings in. You do have to drill two really small holes on the E brake cable holder, but other than that it's really easy.

In general, 1982 280ZX and 300ZX has a smaller rear caliper with larger pads than the early (1979-1981) 280ZX. The offset of the early vs. late caliper is quite different.

AE86

To fit AE86 calipers on B110 rear axle housing, create an adapter.

Album 21441

Trix

Skyline disc rotor
Album 18773 Album 19195

Civic rear caliper with integrated handbrake
Album 19193 Album 19194 Album 19192

U12

Australia U12 Pintara 1989-1992 rear discs
Same as 280ZX Brake Upgrade discs, but 45 mm height instead of 47 mm
DBA 614
* Vent Solid 
* Diameter 258 
* Height 45 
* Thickness 10 
* Centre Hole Dia 68 

quik1000's rear caliper mounts are a bolt on for either H145 or H165 axles. Uses R31 Skyline Girlock calipers.
Album 25921 Album 25922

S13 AUS/USA 43206-35F00 rear rotors may also fit

* 1 mm thinner
* 1.5 mm higher

H165

Sentra Rotor Adaption

3rotor designed bracket for box-shape Sentra (Nissan Sunny B12) calipers, to fit 240mm rotor. The same bracket can also fit Maxima 250mm rotor.

The rotors slip over the hub (floating type). The pattern must be re-drilled to 4 x 4.5" (4 x 114.3 mm) before it will slip on. Center hole also needs enlarging.

Rockauto.com
Nissan 40206-61A11
BREMBO 08493210
Centric 121.42031
Solid floating type
Diameter 240.3 mm
Height 45.1 mm
Nom. Thick 12 mm
Hub Reg 11 61 mm
Bolt circle: 4 x 100 mm
Weight 9.5 lbs

Moar Piccies! See 3rotor's gallery

Album 18038 Album 18050 Album 16087 Album 16450 Album 16144 Album 16448 Album 16465 Album 16440

Factory Disc Adapters

Fits H165 and H190 rear axle assemblies, like the 1200 Ute axle assembly.

Disc Over Drum

"Disc Over Drum" -- easy conversion for H165 or H190 diffs! Fits over 14" wheels. Rotor approximately 280mm. Find an Australia-built Bluebird with rear discs and swap the brakes over to the H165.

910

910 Sedan (810/Maxima/Bluebird) use a conversion plate to bolt a rotor to drum-brake-spec hub.

Narrow Pattern

44155-N3202 ADAPTER-CALIPER 44165 $72 USD
* yoke type/double piston (wide bolt pattern)
* USA 910 1981 (0780-0681) sedan Datsun 810/Maxima IRS
* JPN F30 8009-8208 L28E Leopard/TR-X
          8009-8107 L20E#
Stock Use:
 44151 BAFFLE-PLATE
  44151-U7800 0780-0681
 44001 CALIPER ASSY-REAR RH,W/O PADS OR SHIMS [or yoke]
  44001-F5490 0780-0681 <2> 44001-W1390
240Z use: use early 280ZX caliper & rotor
1200 use: same as 240Z?

Wide Pattern

Use the same install method as the Pitroad adapters (above). The Pitroad units appear to be 44155-N3202 machined with 4 new holes for the H145 pattern, and an insert for the smaller diameter axle tube interface.

44155-04S10 ADAPTER-CALIPER 44165
* single piston type (narrow bolt pattern)
* USA 910 1982-1984 (0781-) sedan 810/Maxima
* JPN C31 8111- GX#+K.L20.MD Laurel
* JPN F30 8108- L20E#
* JPN R30 8108-8108 L20ET Skyline
Stock Use:
 44151 BAFFLE-PLATE
  44151-04S10 0781-0683 <> 44151-04S70
  44151-04S60 0783- 
  44151-04S70
44001 CALIPER ASSY-REAR RH,W/O PADS OR SHIMS 
  44001-04S90 0781- <2> D4001-04S90

240Z use: use late 280ZX caliper & rotor

1200 use: 1982-1983 280ZX (Late ZX) caliper & Rotor

Compare various methods of use: Z Home

1985-88 Maxima (Bluebird) FWD bracket, the ID of the opening is different, and the offset is different. Machining needed, see HybridZ

Rear Axle Swaps

See Rear Axle Swaps

These include rear disc brakes:

• Complete rear end off a Toyoda with disk brakes (Corolla AE86)
• Complete rear end from a Mazda RX7 GSL-SE
• Complete rear end from a 1980 to 1981 S110 (Silvia, 200SX) H165
• Complete rear end from a 1982 to 1983 S110 H190

200SX either narrow the housing or use fender flares.

Toyoda...cheaper LSD from TRD.

Mad Dat Kit

Mad Dat sells a narrowed Nissan rear axle assembly with disc brakes. Shortened R31 28 spline unit (looks like an Aussie R31 BW78 unit).

Album 6407 Album 6393

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