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| - | [[Category:Engine Modifications]] | + | {{Nissan A Engine}} |
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| - | Perhaps the most interesting variety of A series engines was the AY12 engine. This was a special race-only Nissan factory (works) racing version with a crossflow cylinder head. The AY12 is so rare it has been dubbed the Nissan Mystery Motor. It was used in [[Works|works]] [[wikipedia:Datsun_Cherry|Datsun Cherry]] racing cars. | + | Perhaps the most interesting variety of A series engines was the AY12 engine. This was a special race-only Nissan factory (works) racing version with a crossflow cylinder head. The AY12 is so rare it has been dubbed the Nissan Mystery Motor. It was used in [[Works|works]] racing [[wikipedia:Datsun_Cherry|Datsun Cherry]] cars. |
| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=449 http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/449.jpg] | + | {{Album|449}} |
| = Video footage of the engine in question = | = Video footage of the engine in question = | ||
| - | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6Hue-1gCKk&feature=related | + | {{YouTube|A6Hue-1gCKk|TS Sunny A12}} |
| = Overview = | = Overview = | ||
| Cross-flow Double-Ignition AY12 OHV 160ps @ 8,800 rpm | Cross-flow Double-Ignition AY12 OHV 160ps @ 8,800 rpm | ||
| - | AY12 was used in under-1300cc class racing with 76 to 76.8mm pistons. Intake valve was 40-41mm and exhaust valves that have been used are 33mm and 34mm. The piston was also special design. Because of the hemi combustion chamber, the pushrod-activated valve rocker system was different from the regular A12. | + | {{Album|701|JPG}} |
| - | A12 cross flow engine in a Cherry X1-R raced in the Fuji speedway Victory 200 race in 1973. | + | AY12 was used in under-1300cc class racing with 76 to 76.8mm pistons. Intake valve was 40-41mm and exhaust valves that have been used are 33mm and 34mm. The piston was also special design. Because of the {{wikiEx|Hemi_engine|hemi}} combustion chamber, the pushrod-activated valve rocker system was different from the regular A12. |
| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2521 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2521.jpg] | + | A12 cross flow engine in a Cherry X1-R raced in the Fuji speedway Victory 200 race in 1973. |
| + | <br>{{Album|2521}} | ||
| It is rare as. Probably the rarest Datsun engine of all. Almost no one has ever seen one, but they exist in photos and old magazines. | It is rare as. Probably the rarest Datsun engine of all. Almost no one has ever seen one, but they exist in photos and old magazines. | ||
| - | [http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a164/KB10/45feeceb.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a164/KB10/45feeceb.jpg] | + | {{Album|28752|was=Photo\45feeceb.jpg}} |
| Nissan Part Number 11041-M0820. See the FIA homologation papers for the PE10/A12GX E10 Datsun Cherry. | Nissan Part Number 11041-M0820. See the FIA homologation papers for the PE10/A12GX E10 Datsun Cherry. | ||
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| - | LTR was planning to create a new head casting: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=28058&forum=2 Remake of the Crossflow]. | ||
| It used a large right-angle distributor lying horizontally along the block. It served eight spark plugs, so these engines used two plugs per cylinder. The original design & prototype head used only one plug per cylinder but the racing heads used two. | It used a large right-angle distributor lying horizontally along the block. It served eight spark plugs, so these engines used two plugs per cylinder. The original design & prototype head used only one plug per cylinder but the racing heads used two. | ||
| - | + | = Benefits = | |
| - | =Benefits= | + | Using a stock A12 engine block, here are some benefits of the racing-only A12Y cylinder head: |
| - | Using a stock A12 engine block, here are some benefits of the racing-only A12Y cylinder hear: | + | |
| # It is crossflow, the inlet and exhaust are on opposite sides of the head. | # It is crossflow, the inlet and exhaust are on opposite sides of the head. | ||
| - | # Using a [[hemi]] cylinder head design, the valves are in better position than in the normal model. Racing trim was reportedly 220 gross horespower | + | # Using a hemi cylinder head design, the valves are in better position than in the normal model. Racing trim was reportedly 220 gross horsepower |
| - | # The is no heat problem with twin carbs, because they are on diffent side than the exhaust manifold. | + | # The is no heat problem with twin carbs, because they are on different side than the exhaust manifold. |
| #The chamber is hemi, it can take more compression without unintended pre-detonation (knocking or pinking/pinging) | #The chamber is hemi, it can take more compression without unintended pre-detonation (knocking or pinking/pinging) | ||
| # The exhaust side is the same as normal head. The ports are not in same place but one can use standard A12GX exhaust manifold | # The exhaust side is the same as normal head. The ports are not in same place but one can use standard A12GX exhaust manifold | ||
| = Documentation = | = Documentation = | ||
| - | Full-page article on the AY12 in [[Magazines|Auto Technic Magazine]] 1982 volume 14 no.164. | + | Full-page article on the AY12 in [[Auto_Technic#The_Scene|Auto Technic Magazine]] 1982 volume 14 no.164. |
| - | [http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/Auto%20Technic/E64F0430-1.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/Auto%20Technic/E64F0430-1.jpg] | + | Top:AY12 OHV engine (single-cam) |
| + | <br>Bottom: DOHC [[AZ12 engine]] design similar to the Nissan LZ Engine | ||
| + | <br>{{UploadPost|174_63da0f1011268.jpg|497468|was=Photo\E64F0468.jpg}} | ||
| - | [http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0463.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0463.jpg] | + | Crossflow OHV AY12 (pushrod head) |
| + | <br>{{UploadPost|174_63da159038437.jpg|497468|was=Photo\E64F0430-1.jpg}} | ||
| - | [http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0464.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0464.jpg] | + | {{UploadPost|174_63da15e3201fb.jpg|497468|was=Photo\E64F0464.jpg}} |
| - | [http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0465.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0465.jpg] | + | {{UploadPost|174_63da16048e0cc.jpg|497468|was=Photo\E64F0465.jpg}} |
| - | [http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0467.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0467.jpg] | ||
| - | Bottom: AZ12 DOHC Engine similar to the [[Nissan LZ Engine]] | + | {{translate|AY12 engine. The shape and size of the head cover are completely related|AY12エンジン．　ヘッドカバーの型状、　大きさが全く連う}} |
| - | <br>[http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0468.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/AY%20Head/E64F0468.jpg] | + | <br>{{UploadPost|174_63da14f829ef8.jpg|497468|was=Photo\E64F0467.jpg}} |
| - | <br>This is just a diagram. It seems no AZ12 was actually produced. | + | |
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| - | [http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/Auto%20Technic/E64F0394-1.jpg http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff99/ianey89/Auto%20Technic/th_E64F0394-1.jpg] | + | |
| Oil Pump with upright filter boss for Cherry FF (FWD) race car | Oil Pump with upright filter boss for Cherry FF (FWD) race car | ||
| - | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/21714.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/21714.jpg] | + | <br>{{Album|21714}} |
| - | =Swap Notes= | + | = Swap Notes = |
| # In a right drive, rear drive car, the rear carb is likely to cause interference problems with the brake cylinder. Solution: use a [[Brake_Swaps#Remote_Brake_Cylinder|remote brake master cylinder]]. | # In a right drive, rear drive car, the rear carb is likely to cause interference problems with the brake cylinder. Solution: use a [[Brake_Swaps#Remote_Brake_Cylinder|remote brake master cylinder]]. | ||
| #* Left side drivers, however will immediately see the advantages | #* Left side drivers, however will immediately see the advantages | ||
| #The exhaust can quite obviously be made in a more conventional style to allow a lot more room in there | #The exhaust can quite obviously be made in a more conventional style to allow a lot more room in there | ||
| # The induction on this one precludes the use of a conventional distributor | # The induction on this one precludes the use of a conventional distributor | ||
| - | #* One could use a right angle drive to lay the distributor down alongside the block, but it makes it hard to service. | + | #* One could use a right-angle drive to lay the distributor down alongside the block, but it makes it hard to service. |
| - | #*: [http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a164/KB10/69c391dd.jpg http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a164/KB10/th_69c391dd.jpg] | + | |
| #* Or use an [[EDIS]] crank trigger ignition | #* Or use an [[EDIS]] crank trigger ignition | ||
| # In RHD, the carbs in the picture are causing a problem with the routing of the clutch cable. Again, LHD cars will have no problem | # In RHD, the carbs in the picture are causing a problem with the routing of the clutch cable. Again, LHD cars will have no problem | ||
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| + | Right-angle distributor | ||
| + | <br>{{Album|28753|was=Photo\69c391dd.jpg}} | ||
| The head was originally designed for a transversely mounted engine in the Cherry range of cars & some of the clearance problems simply did not arise because of this transverse mounting. | The head was originally designed for a transversely mounted engine in the Cherry range of cars & some of the clearance problems simply did not arise because of this transverse mounting. | ||
| - | The cure for some of these problems might just be a custom EFI induction with a crank angle sensor made from a modified distributor & let the computor sort out the spark problem. Even a simple Pertronix conversion would very likely serve this purpose quite well for many aftermarket computers. Just make a flat[ish] cover for the distributor to replace the distributor cap, & run two coils in a wasted spark configuration. | + | The cure for some of these problems might just be a custom EFI induction with a crank angle sensor made from a modified distributor & let the computer sort out the spark problem. Even a simple [[Pertronix Electronic Ignition]] conversion would very likely serve this purpose quite well for many aftermarket computers. Just make a flat[ish] cover for the distributor to replace the distributor cap and run two coils in a wasted spark configuration. |
| = Discussion = | = Discussion = | ||
| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=28058 Remake of the Crosslow, pushrod a-series "ay12" 11041-M0820 head] | + | LTR was planning to create a new head casting: [{{Post|160056}} Remake of the Crossflow, pushrod a-series "ay12" 11041-M0820 head] |
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| - | OLD TIMER Magazine, February 2005 | + | |
| - | the FIRST version of the AY Crossflow was a 'Single Ignition' version, and this was soon modified to the SECOND 'Double Ignition' version - which was more efficient. As the FIA homologation papers show the FIRST version, it is possible that the JAF homologation papers ( covering domestic racing in Japan ) may also cover the SECOND version, or it was being used prior to proper homologation and the then-current homologation was going to be retrospectively updated ( which is not an unprecedented situation ). | + | [[Magazines#Old-timer|OLD TIMER Magazine]], February 2005 |
| + | The FIRST version of the AY Crossflow was a 'Single Ignition' version, and this was soon modified to the SECOND 'Double Ignition' version - which was more efficient. As the FIA homologation papers show the FIRST version, it is possible that the JAF homologation papers (covering domestic racing in Japan) may also cover the SECOND version, or it was being used prior to proper homologation and the then-current homologation was going to be retrospectively updated (which is not an unprecedented situation). | ||
| - | the FIRST version of the AY Crossflow was a 'Single Ignition' version, and this was soon modified to the SECOND 'Double Ignition' version - which was more efficient. As the FIA homologation papers show the FIRST version, it is possible that the JAF homologation papers ( covering domestic racing in Japan ) may also cover the SECOND version, or it was being used prior to proper homologation and the then-current homologation was going to be retrospectively updated ( which is not an unprecedented situation ). | + | {{Album|28754|was=Photo\ayartnov062kb0.jpg}} |
| + | http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8845/aycrossflowfront1ld9.jpg | ||
| + | {{Album|28755|was=Photo\aycrossflowhemipiston1qo1.jpg}} | ||
| - | [http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8734/ayartnov062kb0.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=140&uri=http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/8734/ayartnov062kb0.jpg] [http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8845/aycrossflowfront1ld9.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=140&uri=http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/8845/aycrossflowfront1ld9.jpg] [http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2618/aycrossflowhemipiston1qo1.jpg http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=140&uri=http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2618/aycrossflowhemipiston1qo1.jpg] | + | [[Category:Engine Modifications]] [[Category:Engine Swaps]] [[Category:Nissan Engines]] [[Category:Racing]]{{End}} |
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Nissan A Engines: Overview | A10 | A12 | A12A | A13, old | A13, new | A14 | A15
Perhaps the most interesting variety of A series engines was the AY12 engine. This was a special race-only Nissan factory (works) racing version with a crossflow cylinder head. The AY12 is so rare it has been dubbed the Nissan Mystery Motor. It was used in works racing Datsun Cherry cars.
Contents |
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Video footage of the engine in question
V I D E O TS Sunny A12 (click to view)
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Overview
Cross-flow Double-Ignition AY12 OHV 160ps @ 8,800 rpm
AY12 was used in under-1300cc class racing with 76 to 76.8mm pistons. Intake valve was 40-41mm and exhaust valves that have been used are 33mm and 34mm. The piston was also special design. Because of the hemiᵂ combustion chamber, the pushrod-activated valve rocker system was different from the regular A12.
A12 cross flow engine in a Cherry X1-R raced in the Fuji speedway Victory 200 race in 1973.
It is rare as. Probably the rarest Datsun engine of all. Almost no one has ever seen one, but they exist in photos and old magazines.
Nissan Part Number 11041-M0820. See the FIA homologation papers for the PE10/A12GX E10 Datsun Cherry.
It used a large right-angle distributor lying horizontally along the block. It served eight spark plugs, so these engines used two plugs per cylinder. The original design & prototype head used only one plug per cylinder but the racing heads used two.
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Benefits
Using a stock A12 engine block, here are some benefits of the racing-only A12Y cylinder head:
- It is crossflow, the inlet and exhaust are on opposite sides of the head.
- Using a hemi cylinder head design, the valves are in better position than in the normal model. Racing trim was reportedly 220 gross horsepower
- The is no heat problem with twin carbs, because they are on different side than the exhaust manifold.
- The chamber is hemi, it can take more compression without unintended pre-detonation (knocking or pinking/pinging)
- The exhaust side is the same as normal head. The ports are not in same place but one can use standard A12GX exhaust manifold
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Documentation
Full-page article on the AY12 in Auto Technic Magazine 1982 volume 14 no.164.
Top:AY12 OHV engine (single-cam)
Bottom: DOHC AZ12 engine design similar to the Nissan LZ Engine
Crossflow OHV AY12 (pushrod head)
AY12 engine. The shape and size of the head cover are completely related
AY12エンジン． ヘッドカバーの型状、 大きさが全く連う
Oil Pump with upright filter boss for Cherry FF (FWD) race car
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Swap Notes
- In a right drive, rear drive car, the rear carb is likely to cause interference problems with the brake cylinder. Solution: use a remote brake master cylinder.
- Left side drivers, however will immediately see the advantages
- The exhaust can quite obviously be made in a more conventional style to allow a lot more room in there
- The induction on this one precludes the use of a conventional distributor
- One could use a right-angle drive to lay the distributor down alongside the block, but it makes it hard to service.
- Or use an EDIS crank trigger ignition
- In RHD, the carbs in the picture are causing a problem with the routing of the clutch cable. Again, LHD cars will have no problem
Right-angle distributor
The head was originally designed for a transversely mounted engine in the Cherry range of cars & some of the clearance problems simply did not arise because of this transverse mounting.
The cure for some of these problems might just be a custom EFI induction with a crank angle sensor made from a modified distributor & let the computer sort out the spark problem. Even a simple Pertronix Electronic Ignition conversion would very likely serve this purpose quite well for many aftermarket computers. Just make a flat[ish] cover for the distributor to replace the distributor cap and run two coils in a wasted spark configuration.
[edit]
Discussion
LTR was planning to create a new head casting: POST Remake of the Crossflow, pushrod a-series "ay12" 11041-M0820 head
OLD TIMER Magazine, February 2005
The FIRST version of the AY Crossflow was a 'Single Ignition' version, and this was soon modified to the SECOND 'Double Ignition' version - which was more efficient. As the FIA homologation papers show the FIRST version, it is possible that the JAF homologation papers (covering domestic racing in Japan) may also cover the SECOND version, or it was being used prior to proper homologation and the then-current homologation was going to be retrospectively updated (which is not an unprecedented situation).
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