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| - | Alloy [[wheels]] from Datsun 910 "[[Bluebird]] Series II" Australia [[TRX]] package work nicely on a Datsun 1200. They are 15" wheels, 5.5" (or 6") wide, [[offset]] +35. | + | Alloy [[wheels]] from the Datsun 910 "[[Bluebird]] Series II" Australia [[TRX]] package. They are 15" wheels, 5.5" wide, [[offset]] +35. |
| = Overview = | = Overview = | ||
| - | TRX wheels appear to be identical to the [[Cheviot#Mirage|Cheviot Mirage]] | + | {{search.me|TRX}} wheels appear to be identical to the [[Cheviot#Mirage|Cheviot Mirage]] |
| - | <br>{{Album|5661|width=SM}} {{Photo!|cheviot_mirage_15.jpg|wiki}} {{Album|7836}} {{Album|7841}} | + | |
| + | TRX Wheel | ||
| + | <br>{{Album|5661}} | ||
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| + | Mirage 15 | ||
| + | <br>{{Photo!|cheviot_mirage_15.jpg|wiki}} | ||
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| + | {{Album|7836}} {{Album|7841}} | ||
| TRX wheels require spacers to work on a 1200. | TRX wheels require spacers to work on a 1200. | ||
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| <br>{{Album|3775}} | <br>{{Album|3775}} | ||
| - | {{Album|14821}} {{Album|14785}} {{Album|10190}} {{Album|23804|jpeg}} | + | [{{Post|195167}} 2-inch lowered] |
| + | <br>{{Album|14821}} {{Album|14822}} | ||
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| + | {{Album|14785}} {{Album|10190}} {{Album|23804|jpeg}} | ||
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| + | The hub area is black painted, so it doesn't appear circular. But then this paint is worn off/removed you can see the circular part of the hub | ||
| + | <br>{{Album|6929}} {{Album|6331|gif}} {{Album|6334|gif}} {{Album|9820}} {{Album|10172}} | ||
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| + | = Spacers = | ||
| + | TRX wheels will need spacers on the front wheels of a standard 1200 before your car can even roll. | ||
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| + | The rim hits the strut tube before the mounting surface of the wheel meets the mounting surface of the hub. | ||
| + | |||
| + | TRX wheels require spacers to work on a 1200. | ||
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| + | 8mm spacers work [{{Post|212714}} with 1200/120Y struts] and 195-width tyres. | ||
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| + | [{{Post|212714}} 5mm spacer are not enough]. | ||
| + | |||
| + | = Tyre Size = | ||
| + | The limiting factors to fit in the wheel wells are: | ||
| + | |||
| + | 1) tyre width, and | ||
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| + | 2) tyre diameter | ||
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| + | That means 15" tyres work fine if they are not too wide and not too tall. | ||
| + | |||
| + | Keep width around 185, and rolling diameter 577mm or less, for the least amount of issues. | ||
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| + | <blockquote>[{{Post|88090}} dodgeman]: The 15" TRX rims are 5-1/2" wide, which is a good width for our cars, but you need a tyre with an outside diameter of something very similar to the original size in order to avoid clearance problems under the front of the car. | ||
| + | <br> | ||
| + | <br>[[Tires#Tire_size_comparison|original size]]: 155SR12 (21.8"/554mm diameter)] | ||
| + | <p> | ||
| + | The 185 width is a good size for both a 5-1/2" wide rim & for the car, so in order to get a 185 tyre in a 15" rim fitment, that comes close to about 550mm to 555mm diameter, the calculator says it needs to be 185x45x15 & this results in an OD of almost 550mm. | ||
| + | I don't know if this size even exists, but if it did, i don't think it would be particularly cheap.</p> | ||
| + | [[http://tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=185%2F&ratio=55&diameter=15 185/55R15 at Tirerack.com] are 23"/584mm diameter] | ||
| + | <p> | ||
| + | Another alternative would be 175x50x15 which gives us 556mm, but once again, i don't know if that size even exists.</p> | ||
| + | [http://tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?width=175%2F&ratio=55&diameter=15 175/55R15] are 22.6"/577mm diameter] | ||
| + | <p> | ||
| + | The most cost effective, & practical size is a [http://tirerack.com/tires/TireSearchResults.jsp?zip-code=94553&width=185/&ratio=60&diameter=13 185x60x13 tyre] on a 5" or 5-1/2 rim for front use. Anything wider usually means that you have clearance issues as there is not a real lot of room in there. This tyre size is readily available & very reasonably priced.</p></blockquote> | ||
| + | Taller/wider tyres may require: | ||
| + | * [[Modifying Foot Well]] and/or [[Fender pulling]] | ||
| + | * Fender lip rolling | ||
| + | * Cutting off the lower front corner of the front arches | ||
| + | |||
| + | Wider than 195 requires: | ||
| + | * [[Flares]] | ||
| + | * extra thickness on the wheel spacer | ||
| + | |||
| + | Taller tyres may need: | ||
| + | |||
| + | * [[Speedometer Calibration]] to restore accuracy (195/50R15 actually reads closer to actual speed than the standard tires on a standard 1200 ute) | ||
| + | |||
| + | * To regain stock acceleration, a steeper [[Diff#Best_Ratio|diff gear]] to compensate. On the other hand if you can live with more leisurely acceleration, you'll find that on the highway, taller tyres give better fuel economy and lower noise (lower engine RPM). 195/50R15 doesn't make a noticeable difference over standard. | ||
| = TRX = | = TRX = | ||
| Nissan Bluebird [[TRX]] rims | Nissan Bluebird [[TRX]] rims | ||
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| - | {{Album|6501}} {{Album|2005}} {{Album|581}} {{Album|608}} {{Album|995}} {{Album|1658}} {{Album|2005}} {{Album|2882}} {{Album|12998}} {{Album|14832}} | + | |
| Discussion: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37736&forum=1 will trx 15"rims fit straight onto 1200 ute without flaring?] | Discussion: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37736&forum=1 will trx 15"rims fit straight onto 1200 ute without flaring?] | ||
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| = Source = | = Source = | ||
| - | Datsun 910 "[[Bluebird]] Series II" Australia [[TRX]] package | + | == Australia Bluebird TR-X == |
| - | <br>{{Thumb|2752}} | + | {{Main|TRX#910}} |
| + | Datsun 910 "[[Bluebird]] Series II" Australia [[TRX]] package (1985-1986) | ||
| + | <br>{{wikiCommons|https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datsun_Bluebird_(910)#Australian_production|3/35|1985-1986_Nissan_Bluebird_%28P910_Series_III%29_TR.X_sedan_%2814528586911%29.jpg}} | ||
| == Japan TR-X == | == Japan TR-X == | ||
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| + | The Japanese Leopard used similar wheels but 6" wide | ||
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| 15x6 Offset +35 | 15x6 Offset +35 | ||
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| = Wheel Nuts = | = Wheel Nuts = | ||
| - | TRX wheels use a taper-seat nut. About 7$ each from Nissan, or $3 each from aftermarket sources. Can be purchased at wheel shops too. | + | {{search.me|TRX+nuts}} |
| - | There is 2 different types of trx wheels (series 1,2 + series 3). There is a extra small lip on the inside of the stud holes on series 3 and so the nuts differ a little | + | TRX wheels use a hybrid shank-taper seat nut. They used to be about 7$ each from Nissan, or $3 each from aftermarket sources. Can be purchased at wheel shops too. |
| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=290714 TRX Wheel nuts] | + | Part Numbers |
| - | <br>http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee299/benny_hot_016/th_100_1687.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee299/benny_hot_016/th_100_1673.jpg http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee299/benny_hot_016/th_100_1685.jpg | + | |
| - | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=18829 Factory TRX nut at left], either kind will work | + | Pulsar ET Turbo nuts, black instead of chrome, N40224 V9810 |
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| + | 910 Bluebird TRX nuts, 40224 V9602 | ||
| + | |||
| + | NICE Products - G419 | ||
| + | |||
| + | There are 2 different types of TRX wheels (Series 1,2 + Series 3). There is an extra small lip on the inside of the stud holes on series 3 and so the nuts differ a little | ||
| + | |||
| + | [{{Post|290714}} TRX Wheel nuts] | ||
| + | <br>{{PB2|ee299|benny_hot_016||100_1687.jpg}} {{PB2|ee299|benny_hot_016||100_1673.jpg}} {{PB2|ee299|benny_hot_016||100_1685.jpg}} | ||
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| + | [{{Post|89604}} Factory TRX nut at left], either kind will work | ||
| <br>http://ozdat.com/forum/files/nuts_108.jpg | <br>http://ozdat.com/forum/files/nuts_108.jpg | ||
| - | Aftermarket nuts can be used. Taper-seat Nut longer taper area required | + | Aftermarket nuts can be used, but need to be the hybrid shank-taper type, not the taper seat type pictured below. Using regular taper seat nuts will not engage enough threaded section, and will not support enough of the stud putting extra leverage on them which can result in snapped studs. |
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Current revision
Alloy wheels from the Datsun 910 "Bluebird Series II" Australia TRX package. They are 15" wheels, 5.5" wide, offset +35.
Contents |
Overview
<TRX> wheels appear to be identical to the Cheviot Mirage
TRX Wheel
Mirage 15
TRX wheels require spacers to work on a 1200.
This 1200 has flaring to accomodate 195/50R15 tyres
The hub area is black painted, so it doesn't appear circular. But then this paint is worn off/removed you can see the circular part of the hub
Spacers
TRX wheels will need spacers on the front wheels of a standard 1200 before your car can even roll.
The rim hits the strut tube before the mounting surface of the wheel meets the mounting surface of the hub.
TRX wheels require spacers to work on a 1200.
8mm spacers work POST with 1200/120Y struts and 195-width tyres.
POST 5mm spacer are not enough.
Tyre Size
The limiting factors to fit in the wheel wells are:
1) tyre width, and
2) tyre diameter
That means 15" tyres work fine if they are not too wide and not too tall.
Keep width around 185, and rolling diameter 577mm or less, for the least amount of issues.
POST dodgeman: The 15" TRX rims are 5-1/2" wide, which is a good width for our cars, but you need a tyre with an outside diameter of something very similar to the original size in order to avoid clearance problems under the front of the car.
original size: 155SR12 (21.8"/554mm diameter)]The 185 width is a good size for both a 5-1/2" wide rim & for the car, so in order to get a 185 tyre in a 15" rim fitment, that comes close to about 550mm to 555mm diameter, the calculator says it needs to be 185x45x15 & this results in an OD of almost 550mm. I don't know if this size even exists, but if it did, i don't think it would be particularly cheap.
[185/55R15 at Tirerack.com are 23"/584mm diameter]
Another alternative would be 175x50x15 which gives us 556mm, but once again, i don't know if that size even exists.
175/55R15 are 22.6"/577mm diameter]
The most cost effective, & practical size is a 185x60x13 tyre on a 5" or 5-1/2 rim for front use. Anything wider usually means that you have clearance issues as there is not a real lot of room in there. This tyre size is readily available & very reasonably priced.
Taller/wider tyres may require:
- Modifying Foot Well and/or Fender pulling
- Fender lip rolling
- Cutting off the lower front corner of the front arches
Wider than 195 requires:
- Flares
- extra thickness on the wheel spacer
Taller tyres may need:
- Speedometer Calibration to restore accuracy (195/50R15 actually reads closer to actual speed than the standard tires on a standard 1200 ute)
- To regain stock acceleration, a steeper diff gear to compensate. On the other hand if you can live with more leisurely acceleration, you'll find that on the highway, taller tyres give better fuel economy and lower noise (lower engine RPM). 195/50R15 doesn't make a noticeable difference over standard.
TRX
Nissan Bluebird TRX rims
Discussion: will trx 15"rims fit straight onto 1200 ute without flaring?
If I see another 1200 with TRX rims I'm going to smack you across the face!
On standard Datsun 1200 struts they will require fairly low profile tyres, and quite large spacers for the front and it will need to stay at standard height. Even then you might find they are a tight fit and might grab the guard a bit if you hit any speed humps too quick or take corners quick.
If it is lowered at all you will need to roll the guards for sure!
With Stanza and other similar struts they fit no problem with 195/50R15 tyres and will only need to cut the front bottom corner out of the front guards for clearance when turning.
With Sunny (B310) struts on front and 195/50R15 tyres, it requires to roll all the guard lips, and run spacers on rear as they were scrubbing the inner guard and on all wheel arches the sharp lip all around the guard was tearing into the tyre slightly so rolled it right up.
Source
Australia Bluebird TR-X
Datsun 910 "Bluebird Series II" Australia TRX package (1985-1986)
Japan TR-X
The Japanese Leopard used similar wheels but 6" wide
15x6 Offset +35
レパード TR-X Nissan F30] Leopard TR-X 8009-8602
F30 15x6 Aluminum N1 TYPE アルミ ホイール 40300-F6025 ** F/AL KEYLESS 6JJX15 *L20E# 8406- 4 40300-F6026 ** F/AL W/KEY 6JJX15 *L20E# 8406- 1 40300-F6027 ** F/AL KEYLESS 6JJX15 OFFSET 35 VG30T 8406- 4 40300-F6028 ** F/AL W/KEY 6JJX15 OFFSET 35 *VG30T 8406- 1 40224-W1505 NUT-ROAD WHEEL $19.10 USD * K10,910,B11,E23,F30,R30,M10,S12,U11,Z31 * USA: nut used on S12,Z31
Wheel Nuts
TRX wheels use a hybrid shank-taper seat nut. They used to be about 7$ each from Nissan, or $3 each from aftermarket sources. Can be purchased at wheel shops too.
Part Numbers
Pulsar ET Turbo nuts, black instead of chrome, N40224 V9810
910 Bluebird TRX nuts, 40224 V9602
NICE Products - G419
There are 2 different types of TRX wheels (Series 1,2 + Series 3). There is an extra small lip on the inside of the stud holes on series 3 and so the nuts differ a little
POST Factory TRX nut at left, either kind will work
Aftermarket nuts can be used, but need to be the hybrid shank-taper type, not the taper seat type pictured below. Using regular taper seat nuts will not engage enough threaded section, and will not support enough of the stud putting extra leverage on them which can result in snapped studs.
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