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[Datsun 1200 encyclopedia]

Manual transmission conversion

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=Wiring = =Wiring =
-Check the engine wiring loom to see if there is prevision for the auto inhibitor switch. This prevents the engine from being started unless the auto is in P or N (park or neutral)+Automatic equipped cars have an inhibitor switch. This prevents the engine from being started unless the auto is in P or N (park or neutral). The switch is on the Automatic transmission. See [[Automatic_Transmission#Inhibitor_Switch]].
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 +There is a 6-terminal wiring connector on the firewall just above the rocker cover.
 +<br>[http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/21634.jpg http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/21634.jpg]
 +<br>Leave this connected as the other wires are needed.
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 +Down by the transmission where the harness ends is where you need to connect the wires. The starter wires are BY (black with Yellow stripe) or BR (black with Red stripe.
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 +* Connect the two BY or BR wires together. This is for the starter
 +* Plug the two RB or R wires into the manual transmission Reverse Lamp switch
[[Category:Automatic Transmission]] [[Category:Automatic Transmission]]
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Automatic-equipped cars had a significantly larger front tunnel area. The rear of the tunnel is the same. For this reason you can easily convert an Auto car to a Manual car. Going to automatic you, may need to modify the tunnel.

If you convert your originally automatic 1200 to a manual, you will notice that you have barely any room between the gas and brake pedals and you have to do tip-toe driving to make it work.


Also see: Automatic Transmission Overview


6270.jpg Auto vs 60

Replace the auto pedals with its larger brake pedal with the standard setup that has small brake pedal and clutch pedal.


  1. 'Bridge' the start inhibit wires that go to the auto gearbox
  2. Replace the spacer in pedal box with clutch pedal (requires removal of dash and pedal box)
  3. Knock out the clutch firewall hole blanking plate
    1. In manual cars there are nuts welded from factory on the inside but autos don't. You can either put bolts and nuts thru the holes or weld some
  4. Install clutch cable
  5. Engine: remove flex plate and spacer
    1. add pilot bushing (if not already fitted)
    2. add flywheel, clutch disc and pressure plate
  6. Mount: either weld new mounts in or make a new crossmember
  7. Replace gearbox and auto tailshaft with manual versions

The speedo cable is the same.

Gearbox mounts are different, but is the shifter hole in the tunnel is in the same place (the rear portion of the tunnel is the same).

Reportedly 5-speed (60-series?) fits on the automatic crossmember -- pure bolt in.


Contents

Shifter

Automatic shifter come with a Console.

9970.jpg


The shifter boot will have to be used from another type of car because the automatic hole is larger than the standard shifter hole. Reportedly a boot from a 1980s Ford Escort will fit.

Driveshaft

The automatic has a larger spline. So use the auto driveshaft with auto transmission. Remember that B110 and B210 Driveshaft is the same. The B210 and B110 driveshafts are the same length. Only automatic vs manual lengths are different.

Rear Engine Mount

The rear engine mount, also called the "transmission crossmember" is mounted about six inches further back.


884.jpg 4-speed mount

2133.jpg auto mount


B210 and B310 have multiple crossmember mounting hole locations:

  • 1960.jpg

The B210 has a single set, which differs between auto and manual cars.

Part Numbers

Rubber Mount

  • 11321-H1000 ASSY-INSULATOR ENGINE MOUNTING REAR Manual trans
  • 11321-H1020 ASSY-INSULATOR ENGINE MOUNTING REAR Manual trans

Crossmember

  • 11322-H1002 MEMBER-ENGINE MOUNTING REAR Manual
  • 11322-H1020 MEMBER-ENGINE MOUNTING REAR Automatic


NOTE: B210 parts number are different from B110, but reportedly fit the same.


Engine Differences

Carburetor

For emission controls, the carb differed. However you can use any carb with an automatic.

Distributor

Auto cars had a different distributor curve for emission control. However you can use any distributor with an automatic.

Clutch Fittings

Automatic cars don't have:

  • Clutch pedal
  • Clutch master cylinder (LHD models)
  • Clutch cable (RHD models)

These parts can be swapped from a manual car.

On the US AT models the hole for the clutch master is there but is covered up with a sheet metal cover that is spot welded in place. Takes a cold chisel, hammer, and some patience to uncover. The mounting studs need to be sourced as they are missing.


On RHD, grind off the plate where the clutch cable comes out of the fire wall and get some nuts to bolt the thing to the firewall.

Starter Motor

Starter for automatic transmission differs from starter for manual transmission. But they interchange. And both A12 & A14 starters interchange.

Flex Plate

Automatics don't use a flywheel, the torque convertor has enough mass to act as the flywheel. They use a thin "flex plate" with has the ring gear teeth for the starter.

5329.jpg flex plate

Also note the crankshaft adapter.

You can use the flywheel off the A14 on the A15. The thing to look at is the back of your A15's crankshaft -- make sure it has the hole for the trans pilot shaft bearing.

Crankshaft

Spacer

Engine fitted with an automatic has a spacer on the end of the crankshaft that has to be removed to mate to the manual tranny.

9372.jpg spacer 9419.jpg

Pilot Bearing

spigot bush/pilot bushing

Kick down Switch

Check around the top of the throttle pedal, with autos there should be either a bracket for the kick down switch,or maybe the switch is still there

Tunnel

The Auto body has seperate tunnel and floor. The tunnel is spot welded in. The seam is clearly noticeable on the firewall at the back of the engine.

Manual body has one piece floor and tunnel, no joins whatsoever. Bellhouseing part of tunnel is one piece with firewall.


7475.jpg auto 7476.jpg std


8197.jpg


NOTE: Unlike a B110 the B210 has a uniform floorpan between auto and manual.

Swapping Tunnel panels

The standard B110 tunnel is one piece.

The Auto tunnel is two pieces.

Modified Tunnel

Just take a big hammer and bang the tunnel sheet metal ("massage it")to get more clearance.

  • 880.jpg "massaged" floor

Or cut part of the tunnel and weld on a bigger section.

  • 5008.jpg


438.jpg


Custom Tunnels

Others have successfully bolted or welded in tunnels from:

  • B210
  • Stanza (1980 510)
  • 180B (610)
    4224.jpg
  • Custom fabricated tunnels
    3039.jpg


Tunnel Photos

See: Transmission tunnel Photo Index

Cooling

Autos used:

  • (optional) larger radiator. A B210 radiator is a direct bolt-in
  • Radiator Shroud
  • (optional) Flex fan

All are a good idea for standard or manual transmission cars.

Wiring

Automatic equipped cars have an inhibitor switch. This prevents the engine from being started unless the auto is in P or N (park or neutral). The switch is on the Automatic transmission. See Automatic_Transmission#Inhibitor_Switch.

There is a 6-terminal wiring connector on the firewall just above the rocker cover.
21634.jpg
Leave this connected as the other wires are needed.

Down by the transmission where the harness ends is where you need to connect the wires. The starter wires are BY (black with Yellow stripe) or BR (black with Red stripe.

  • Connect the two BY or BR wires together. This is for the starter
  • Plug the two RB or R wires into the manual transmission Reverse Lamp switch