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Datsun 1200's A12 engine uses a traditional type of starter motor with a Bendix gearᵂ drive. The newer Datsun starter motor is far better the the orginal specification Datsun 1200 starter -- has more power and lasts longer. A newer Datsun starter by Mitsubishi or Hitachi from B210 or B310 is good and will fit the Datsun 1200's A12 engine.
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Identification
A-series Engine Starting motor (Hitachi ヒタチ or Mitsubishi)
* All have 9-tooth gears
Early Hitachi is easily identifiable by the removable band on the case (bottom of this photo):
Late Hitachi has a full end-cap
ID location is here:
Hitachi has a simple Hitachi mark logo:
Mitsubishi has full ID on the nose over the solenoid:
A-series VS L-series
L-series Comparo
If you place the solenoid at the top (12:00 o'clock)
- The bottom bolt will be at 6:00 o'clock
- The top bolt at 1:00 o'clock
Wiring
Automatic
Auto starters appeared July 1971 and have more torque. They use 4 brushes instead of only 2.
23300-H3900 MOTOR-STARTER (HITACHI S11 A12,AUTO 0771-0573 23300-H6900 MOTOR-STARTER (HITACHI S11 A12 AUTO 0673- <> 23300-H3900
2-brush cover 23337-H0100 ASSY-COVER,REAR A12,MANUAL 0170-
4-brush cover 23337-10605 ASSY-COVER,REAR A12,AUTO 0771- [for H39 starter]
Interchange
Rotation: Clockwise, Teeth: 9
Reported interchange:
- All A-series RWD starters interchange. Auto or Manual. Automatic-transmissions starters are slightly more powerful but otherwise the same.
- FWD A-series have 8-tooth drive gear
- A14 FWD blocks may not accept all starters -- see POST Starter motors
- A12 starter will work on A10
- Per Datsun the A10 starter from Datsun 1000 will not work on A12 -- see A-series Engine Changes
Strict interchange for 1970-1973 Datsun B110:
* Manual Transmission
* 23300-H5000, H5001, H7301 (Hollander 1217)
* All Sunny 1971-1979 Manual Transmission
* (what about 1980-1982?)
* What about Datsun 1000?
* Hollander 1395 fits if you swap the drive gear
* Automatic Transmission
* Part number?
Hitachi early 2-brush type | Later 4-brush type
Mitsubishi
23300-08700 23300-18000, 23300-18005, 23300-18015, 23300-18016 23300-H0100, 23300-H0101 23300-H3900 23300-H5000, 23300-H5001, 23300-H5003, 23300-H5004 23300-H5011 23300-H0510, 23300-H0511 23300-H6900, 23300-H6901, 23300-H6903, 23300-H6904 23300-H7300, 23300-H7301, 23300-H7302 23300-E3000
Problem Starter
Unusual starter hits the block | normal starters clear the block
mpa Motorcar Parts America http://www.onlinetechhelp.com TBS0004 February 8, 2005
NOTE: All three types fit the A-series. Both Mitsubishi and Hitachi were original equipment suppliers to Datsun.
Note that the "unusual" starter is not one of the three listed by MPA (although it was supplied by MPA in the box and has the 16211 sticker). It appears to have been a mistake.
The problem is the end-casting. This may be a FWD starter? It looks very much like late-model Nissan permanent-magnet Planetary Gear Reduction starter of the type used by 1998 Sentra
Reduction Starter
Reduction gearing means the starter turns slower, but applies the same horsepower. They are used for increase torque, especially for cold weather starting. High-torque starter. High compression starter.
FWD Starter
Since A-series starters bolt to the gearbox, they are dependent on the drive type.
Pulsar N10 A14: 8-tooth Sunny RWD A14: 9-tooth
A14 flywheel - FWD vs RWD
N10 12312-M0200 B10 105-tooth 271mm pitch 10-12 12312-18000 BOSCH SR139X 23300H5012, 23300H5014 23300M1500, 23300M1501, 23300M1502, 23300M1503 23300M1510, 23300M1511 23300M5900, 23300M5901, 23300M5902, 23300M5903 Mitsubishi M2T10071, M2T20181, M2T20182, M2T31081 MCA010 Hitachi S114161, S114161B, S114161F, S114208, S114208F
REMY 16694 gear reduction type 23300M4900, 23300M4901, 23300M4902, 23300M4903, 23300M4904 23300M4910, 23300M4911, 23300M7000 Mitsubishi M2T52271, M2T52272 Hitachi S114252, S114252B, S114252C, S114252E
Lightweight Starter
The lightweight starter weighs less and is ID'd by the visible case bolts. Has the improved-spec power output (0.8 kw or 1.0 kw -- same as the heavy automatic starter.
VENDOR: Bprojects Product: 0.8Kw Rebuilt Starter☁
Troubleshooting
Service
Starter parts breakdown for original (2-brush) Datsun 1200 starter
- The brushes can be replaced with a large soldering iron
- The overrun cluch (drive gear) can easily be replaced
Otherwise, replace with a new, rebuilt or good used unit.
Check Gear Teeth
- Check gear teeth for nice, consistent chamfer, as shown here.
- Teeth worn flat will destroy a good flywheel (and vice-versa)
Testing Overrun Clutch
If your starter "whizzes" just after the engine catches, the Overrun clutch is almost for sure bad. If you do not replace it, eventually it will wear so much it free spins, instead of turning the engine.
- Remove starter from engine
- With your fingers, turn the small drive gear.
- It should smoothly turn one direction
- It should NOT turn at all the other direction, not even a little bit
The clutch gear can be easily replaced with a new or good-used unit. Test it as outlined above.
23312-E3000 ASSY-PINION <> 23312-10605 <> 23312-10600
Check Bushing
Brushes
Remove the brush cover or end cap. Inspect the brushes.
original Datsun 1200 type with brush band: Brushes unscrew and can be easily replaced
newer more powerful starters: although you can buy new replacement brushes for this type, it is a heavy-duty soldering job to replace them
Solenoid
If the starter just 'clicks' but doesn't turn the engine, it is probably a low battery, or dirty wiring. It that check out, your solenoid may be dirty. Unlike other brands, the A-series solenoids have soldered connections and are not designed to be disassembled and cleaned.
Clicking, does not turn -- see Battery Maintenance
You can purchase and replace the solenoid, though in some cases it is less expensive to buy the whole starter.
Rockauto.com Solenoid $15-52 USD Starter $16-30 USD
NUTTED TYPE for use with forked lever
23343-18005 ASSY-SWITCH MAGNETIC A12
* For all Hitachi end-band type (early) S114 starters
TANG TYPE with shims
23343-H5000 B210 for Hitachi H5001/H6901 (from 7404, end-cap style)
23343-H5001 B120 OPTION 8504- for H69 Hitachi
* Airtex 1M1202
* Standard Motor Products SS331
CAUTION: different solenoids require different levers
23322-M0100 SET-LEVER SHIFT B110 23322-H5000 SET-LEVER SHIFT B210
H50 type for use with Tang-end solenoid
Detailing
* polished drive housing for mirror-finish look * Painted body for anodized look
Bolts
Bolts to fasten the starter to the transmission -- two identical bolts.
08121-03533 (2 required) 08 NES 12 Hexagon bolt, Medium carbon steel 10 M10 35 35mm length 33 with lock washer they have a 14mm hex head
or with the optional Reduction Gear starter
08121-03533 (1) [35mm length] 08121-04533 (1) [45mm length]
These bolt sizes are used from 1966 into the 2000s, with 56-series transmissions, 60-series, 63-series and 71-series Automatics.
B10 DATSUN 1000 08121-03510 BOLT M10 X 35mm Zinc cadmium coated 08915-24010 WASHER-LOCK 08915-44010 WASHER-PLAIN
B110 DATSUN 1200 08121-03515 BOLT w/LOCK WASHER M10 X 35mm 08915-44010 WASHER-PLAIN
B210/B310/B120 08121-0351Fᴳ replaced 08121-03533 08121-03533ᴳ BOLT w/lock & plain washer M10 x 35mm medium carbon steel
Part Numbers
B10 Hitachi (2-brush) * 23300-18000 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI S114-87 B10 * 23300-18005 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI S114-87K (ISO threads) B10 interchages with 23300-18000 * 23300-H0100 ASS'Y-starter HITACHI S114-87L B10 supercedes 180 models
B10 Mitsubishi (3-brush) * 23300-18010 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V1R B10 * 23300-18011 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V3R B10 interchanges with MW-V1R * 23300-18015 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi 206-893 (ISO threads) B10 interchanges with MW models
B110 Hitachi (2-brush)
* Starting JUL 1971, Auto vs Manual starter are physically identical, but auto has more torque
23300-H0100 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87L B110 manual transmission JDM
23300-H0101 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87M B110 manual transmission 0171- (1270- JDM)
* Weight: 10.1 pounds
* Torque: 6.5+ lb-ft
* Brush length: 16 mm (new), 6.5 mm (service limit)
23300-H3900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156 B110 automatic transmission
* Weight: 11.9 pounds
* Torque: 7.2+ lb-ft
* Brush length: 14 mm (new), 4.5 mm (service limit)
* Easily identifiable by the removable band on the case (bottom of this photo):
* Replaceable brushes (held in by screws)
* 1.0 KW output
B110 Mitsubishi (4-brush) 23300-18015 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V3R (Same as B10 part number) 23300-18016 ASS'Y-starter Mitsubishi MW-V5R (from 72-5) supercedes MW-V3R type
B120 JAPAN 7510- 23300-H5010 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER 7510-8503 Mitsubishi 23300-H5004 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER 8504-8910 Hitachi 23300-H6904 OPTION MOTOR ASSY-STARTER 8504- Hitachi(S114-163F) カンレイチヨウ (1.0Kw)
23300-H5015 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER 9207- Mitsubishi M2T42981 * M002T, 42981, 27 20, 12V MITSUBISHI
B210 manual transmission 23300-H0101 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87M B210 USA, JAPAN A12 M/T 23300-H5000 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-87P B210 USA, JAPAN A12 (from 73-6) M/T 23300-H5001 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-160 B210 USA, JAPAN A12 (from 74-4) M/T (4-brush) 23300-18016 MOTOR ASSY-starter JAPAN (MW-V4R) * direct interchage with 23300-H5010 23300-H5010 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER JAPAN (from '73-11) Mitsubishi MCA02-0 23300-H5002 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER JAPAN 1976-1977 Hitachi S114-160A
B210 Automatic transmission 23300-H3900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156 B210 USA, JAPAN A12 A/T 23300-H6900 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-156A B210 USA, JAPAN (from 73-6) A12 A/T 23300-H6901 ASS'Y-starter Hitachi S114-163 B210 USA, JAPAN (from 74-4) A12 A/T (4-brush) 23300-H6902 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER JAPAN 1976-1977 Hitachi S114-163B A12/A14
B310 JAPAN non-reduction starter (for A12A/A14/A15):
23300-H5003 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER Hitachi -8010
23300-H5004 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER Hitachi 8011-
* Hitachi has:
* square-shaped casting for solenoid lever
* two bolt bearing cover on rear case
23300-H5011 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER Mitubishi -7909
23300-H5012 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER Mitubishi 7910-
* Mitubishi has:
* round-shaped casting for solenoid lever
* bearing cover is integral with rear case
B310 USA non-reduction Starter: 23300-H6904 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-163E) USA(AUTO) * OP USA(MANUAL) 23300-H6903 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-163E) USA(AUTO) * OP USA(MANUAL) 23300-H7301 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-160B)(USA(MANUAL) -0780 23300-H7302 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-160B)(USA(MANUAL) 0880- * Specifications: Automatic S114-160G & Manual S114-163F * no-load current: less than 60A * no-load RPM: more than 7000 RPM * no-load Voltage: 11.5
B310 Hitachi Reduction Gear (USA & JAPAN) 23300-H9100 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER JAPAN 23300-H9101 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER JAPAN 7910- 23300-H9101R $94.20 USD 23300-H9101 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-253A) USA from 0979 * replaced 23300-H9100 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER(HITACHI) (S114-253) USA to 0878 * S114-253B Specifications * no-load current draw: 100A (compared to 60A) * no-load miniumum 3900 RPM (compared to 7000 RPM) * no-load Voltage: 11.0 (compared to 11.5)
B310 Mitsubishi Reduction Gear Starter (Japan market, not used in USA) 23300-H9111 Mitsubishi JAPAN 7910- 23300-H9112 Mitsubishi 1.2 KW JAPAN Van 8110-
C22 A15 23300-H6904 8605- 23300-H5014 8605-9207 23300-H5015 9207-
Hitachi S114 series goes way up: S114-800 (23300-0M302) fits GA/QG engines for example 2002 Nissan Sunny.
keywords: スターター セルモーター
Mitsubishi
三菱 Mitsubishi Heavy Industriesᵂ was an original equipment supplier to the Datsun factory.
Mitsubishi ID mark includes
- Nissan part number (e.g. 23300-H5015)
- Mitsubishi starter type (e.g. M002T 42981)
23300-H5015 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER B120 9207- (Mitsubishi M2T42981)
23300-H5014 MOTOR ASSY-STARTER 8510-9207 Mitsubishi M2T200181D 0.8kw
