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A booster will not improve the braking ability of the car. But you may want one so that it is a bit easier to press the brake pedal. A booster will not improve the braking ability of the car. But you may want one so that it is a bit easier to press the brake pedal.
 +{{Brake_Mods_Navbox}}
= Overview = = Overview =
-With the light weight of the 1200, you don't need one (the pedal effort is not high on a 1200). Note that even on heavy cars, a booster doesn't make the brakes stop the car sooner, but only makes it easier to press the pedal. If your small brakes are locking up now, a booster will only make them lock up faster with less pressure on the pedal!+With the light weight of the 1200, you don't need brake booster &mdash; the pedal effort is not high on a 1200. Note that even on heavy cars, a booster doesn't make the car stop any sooner, it only makes it easier to press the pedal (although on many cars such a large diameter master is fitted, it becomes nearly impossible to press hard enough if the booster stops working).
-[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=7657 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/7657.jpg]+CAUTION: If your small brakes are locking up now, a booster will only make them lock up faster with less pressure on the pedal!
-Factory Brake Booster was used from October 1989 in Sunny Truck. +For the factory 1200 booster, see [[Brake Booster]]. Brake Booster was used from October 1989 in Sunny Truck.
- See main article: [[Brake Booster]]+ 
- What follows is for swaps from other cars+<blockquote>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=339631#forumpost339631 i ran no booster] with hilux 4 piston fronts and r31 rears from a 7/8th master...pulled up fine. sure its easier to stop it with a booster now as you only have to use your small toe to press the brake pedal rather than your whole foot</blockquote>
Swap choices include: Swap choices include:
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* 260Z master cylinder (7/8 in diameter) * 260Z master cylinder (7/8 in diameter)
* master and booster from a Toyota Celica on a 1200. mareospeedwagon had to drill holes in the firewall to mount it but it worked real well. * master and booster from a Toyota Celica on a 1200. mareospeedwagon had to drill holes in the firewall to mount it but it worked real well.
- 
-= Booster Spacer = 
-Extra-long booster spacer: 
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=15980 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/15980.jpg] 
= Mitsubishi Lancer 1970-1980 = = Mitsubishi Lancer 1970-1980 =
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* Plymouth Arrow (coupe version) * Plymouth Arrow (coupe version)
-[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3605 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/3605.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3606 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/3606.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12906 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/12906.jpg]+[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=7657 http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/7657.jpg]
 + 
 +Use the whole thing; Lancer booster with Lancer master cylinder. Alternatively you can fit a Datsun master cylinder but that requires some modification. The Lancer master cylinder is for disc brakes and suitable in size for Datsun 1200 discs.
 + 
 +At the end is a brake splitter. It can be removed to use the [[Brake_Lines#3-Way_Connector|dash-mounted splitter]].
 + 
 +LHD 13/16" (large) bore master cylinder uses 1 remote reservoir (wagon uses two remote reservoirs)
 +<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/MC39022.jpg</img>
 +<br>If you'd like a smaller bore, the 7/8" from a 1978-1980 Galant/Colt/Sapporo looks like a bolt-on alternative. [http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/plymouth,1979,sapporo,2.6l+156cid+l4,1240838,brake/wheel+hub,master+cylinder,1836 rockauto.com]
[http://shoeys.com/ipw-web/gallery/project1200?page=11 Photos showing install of Lancer Booster] [http://shoeys.com/ipw-web/gallery/project1200?page=11 Photos showing install of Lancer Booster]
-<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3606 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/3606.jpg][http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=7657 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/7657.jpg]+<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3606 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/3606.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3605 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/3605.jpg]
-<br>If you use a Datsun master cylinder with the Lancer booster, you may need to dent the strut tower in a little in order for the booster to fit.+ 
 +If you use a Datsun master cylinder with the Lancer booster, you may need to dent the strut tower in a little in order for the booster to fit.
LA/LB Lancer brake booster bolts straight up to the firewall, and the brake pedal, all u need is to get some brake lines made up. It uses 2 holes to bolt to the fire wall by way of a factory aluminum adaptor bracket. LA/LB Lancer brake booster bolts straight up to the firewall, and the brake pedal, all u need is to get some brake lines made up. It uses 2 holes to bolt to the fire wall by way of a factory aluminum adaptor bracket.
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To use the Datsun master cylinder with a lancer booster, you probably have to do some machining work. The outside diameter of the Datsun part is slightly too big for the front of the Mitsubishi part. A friend of mine machined down the master cylinder, but now I'd get the Mitsubishi bit made to suit the master cylinder. The part I'm referring to is the alloy casting which bolts to the front of the booster, and that the master cylinder bolts onto. To use the Datsun master cylinder with a lancer booster, you probably have to do some machining work. The outside diameter of the Datsun part is slightly too big for the front of the Mitsubishi part. A friend of mine machined down the master cylinder, but now I'd get the Mitsubishi bit made to suit the master cylinder. The part I'm referring to is the alloy casting which bolts to the front of the booster, and that the master cylinder bolts onto.
-[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2945 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/2945.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14905 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/14905.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14906 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/14906.jpg] +[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=2945 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/2945.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14905 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/14905.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14906 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/14906.jpg]
reference: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=13500&forum=1 what brake booster is the best fit for a 1200] reference: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=13500&forum=1 what brake booster is the best fit for a 1200]
 +
 +[http://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/dodge,1978,colt,2.6l+156cid+l4,1080391,brake/wheel+hub,power+brake+booster,1884 Booster MB004500]
 +
 +Looks like a Galant master cylinder? on Lancer booster
 +<br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/15649.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=15649 album]
 +
 += Charade =
 +[[wikipedia:Daihatsu_Charade#First_generation_.28G10.2C_G20.3B_1977.E2.80.931983.29|Daihatsu Charade G10]] 1977-1983
 +
 +Very tight fit. Brake line goes through hole in strut tower
 +<br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/9809.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9809 album]
 +
 +<img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/9808.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=9808 album]
 +
 += Corolla Booster =
 +Booster and master cylinder from circa 2000 Corolla, installed into Datsun 1200.
 +
 +[http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m549/jsgendell/IMGP0151.jpg http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m549/jsgendell/th_IMGP0151.jpg] [http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m549/jsgendell/IMGP0153.jpg http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m549/jsgendell/th_IMGP0153.jpg] [http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m549/jsgendell/IMGP0155.jpg http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m549/jsgendell/th_IMGP0155.jpg]
= Remote Brake Booster = = Remote Brake Booster =
-[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=14942 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/14942.jpg]+{{SeeMainArticle|Brake_Upgrades#Remote_Brake_Cylinder|14942}}
= B210 Booster = = B210 Booster =
-B210 uses a type M45 Master-Vac with 4.5 inch vacuum diaphragm. It is the same as the 610 booster except for a different vacuum hose fitting.+Some B210 (including later 120Y) models use a type M45 Master-Vac with 4.5 inch vacuum diaphragm. It is the same as the 610/180B booster except for a different vacuum hose fitting. It can be fitted to a Datsun 1200 with small modifications.
- Booster Jidoshakiki Co. Ltd. Bendix License+ See main article: [[B210 Brake Booster]]
- diameter ~120mm width ~140mm flange+
- 87mm thick+
- ~120mm rod to pivot length+
- about 5" diameter+
- Firewall Spacer+<img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/Booster-1.jpg</img>
- 45mm thick+
- bolt pattern: 53mm high x 80/89 wide+
- +
- Master cylinder adapter+
- 20mm thick+
- bolt pattern+
- * 60mm vertical (master side)+
- * 70mm horizontal (booster side)+
- Master cylinder length+http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/th_620_brake_booster_adapter.jpg http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/22927.jpg
- ~174mm+
- [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/Booster-1.jpg full-size photo]+
-<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/Booster-1.jpg</img>+
-[http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/Booster-2.jpg full-size photo]+= Maddat =
-<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/Booster-2.jpg</img>+[[Maddat]] Product No - BBK1200 CA18 or SR20 /1200 Conversion Kit
-[http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/Booster-3.jpg full-size photo]+Brake Booster / Master / Bracket / Clutch
-<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/Booster-3.jpg</img>+
- USA+Simplifies converting the clutch from cable to hydraulic operation. Alloy mounting bracket fits to firewall. New small-can brake booster with 7/8th master. 13/16 or 1" also available.
- 47210-H6100 ASSY-MASTER VAC+
- 47210-H7200 ASSY-MASTER VAC <> 47210-H6100 +
- 47211-H6100 SPACER-MASTER VAC B210+
- JDM B210+<img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/BBK1200.jpg</img>
- 47210-U0501 MASTER VAC (4-1/2) GX (op.)GL 1973-1975+
- 47210-H6100 MASTERVAC ASSY-BRAKE 1976-1977 A14/L16 (op. others)+
- 47211-H6100 SPACER-master vac+
- Compare to 710 USA+Basic bracket as supplied in BBK1200 kit for those wanting to use their own booster/master etc
- 47210-U4000+<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/MD072A.jpg</img>
- 47210-U5200 -0874 <> 47210-U4000+
- 47210-U6700 0974-0775+
- 47210-U9500 0875-+
- 47211-26701 SPACER-MASTER VAC 610, 710+
- Compare to 610 USA+<img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/24902.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=24902 album]
- 47210-U0501+ 
- 47210-U5200 0873-0874+[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=12906 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/12906.jpg]
- 47210-U6700 0974-+ 
- 47210-U9500 <> 47210-U6700+Maddat Code BBK - Datsun Brake Booster. Custom made small sized brake booster. These can be used in many cars where space is an issue. They have adjustable front pins and rear clevis. Finished in gloss black. A range of masters are available to suit you brakes.
- 47211-26701 SPACER-MASTER VAC 610, 710+<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/BBK180B.jpg</img>
 + 
 += Datsport =
 +[http://www.datsport.com/hydraulic-brake-booster-master-cylinder78.html Datsport Australia]
 + 
 +B210 booster setup with reduced thickness spacer to obtain additional clearance.
 + 
 +<img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/brake-booster-master-small.gif</img>
 + 
 += Booster Spacer =
 +LHD 1200 From Phillipines, spaced with Remote fillers on master cylinder
 +<br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23674 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23674.jpg]
 +[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23675 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23675.jpg]
 +[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23676 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23676.jpg]
 +[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23679 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/23679.jpg]
 + 
 +Extra-long booster spacer:
 +<br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/15980.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=15980 album]
- 610 JDM+Unknown type on LHD ute
- 47210-U0501 MASTER VAC ASS'Y (4.5 inch) '72 GL,SSS,'73 DX+ * Spaced out from firewall
- 47210-U4000 MASTER VAC ASS'Y (6 inch) (from '73) GL, SS+ * Remote fillers on master cylinder
- 47210-H6100 MASTER VAC ASS'Y-brake (from '74-8) DX+Yulon 303T from Taiwan with standard 1990s type booster/master cylinder
- 42711-26701 SPACER-master vac+<br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/25817.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=25817 album]
- 710 JDM+Datsun 620
- 47210-U0501 MASTER VAC ASS'Y-brake (4.5) DX,GL,SSS+<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/620a.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/620a.jpg full] <img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/620b.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/620b.jpg full]
- 47210-H6100 MASTER VAC ASS'Y-brake (from '74-8) DX,GL,SSS+
- 42711-26701 SPACER-master vac+
- 810 JDM+Datsun 720 with 620 master cylinder. Clutch master bolts to bracket
- 47211-U7400 SPACER-MASTERVAC +<br><img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/720a.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/720a.jpg full] <img size=400>http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/720b.jpg</img> [http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/Datsun%201200/wiki/720b.jpg full]
- 42711-26701 SPACER-MASTERVAC <> 47211-U7400+
- 42711-U8700 SPACER-MASTERVAC S,K.LN+
- +
-620 adapter is only about 10mm thick (B210 is 20mm)+
-<br>[http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/620_brake_booster_adapter.jpg http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm219/ddgonzal/sightings/forum/th_620_brake_booster_adapter.jpg]+
[[Category:Brake Modifications]] [[Category:Brake Modifications]]

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A booster will not improve the braking ability of the car. But you may want one so that it is a bit easier to press the brake pedal.


Contents

Overview

With the light weight of the 1200, you don't need brake booster — the pedal effort is not high on a 1200. Note that even on heavy cars, a booster doesn't make the car stop any sooner, it only makes it easier to press the pedal (although on many cars such a large diameter master is fitted, it becomes nearly impossible to press hard enough if the booster stops working).

CAUTION: If your small brakes are locking up now, a booster will only make them lock up faster with less pressure on the pedal!

For the factory 1200 booster, see Brake Booster. Brake Booster was used from October 1989 in Sunny Truck.

i ran no booster with hilux 4 piston fronts and r31 rears from a 7/8th master...pulled up fine. sure its easier to stop it with a booster now as you only have to use your small toe to press the brake pedal rather than your whole foot

Swap choices include:

  • Lancer LA/LB or B210 booster for easiest fit into a stock 1200
  • Mitsubishi/Chrysler Galant
  • B210 Brake Booster & cylinder, was fitted to many disc-brake B210s. In Australia, you can use a 120Y dual system master cylinder and a 180B (610) booster
  • B310 (1979-1982) booster and master cylinder (13/16 inch). Need to modify firewall mounting point as these have four bolts
    You may need to modify (lengthen/shorten) the rod that comes out of the booster. Use a depth gauge (bit of stick) and make sure that the booster rod sits nicely inside the master cylinder. The booster is exactly the same internals as the 180B booster. Any larger booster, and you've really got to start cutting into the strut tower. reference: Sunny brake booster
  • 260Z master cylinder (7/8 in diameter)
  • master and booster from a Toyota Celica on a 1200. mareospeedwagon had to drill holes in the firewall to mount it but it worked real well.

Mitsubishi Lancer 1970-1980

The Mitsubishi LA or LB Lancer booster with its master cylinder is a straight bolt-in, though you may need to drill a slightly bigger hole in your brake pedal to fit the new pin through. It will fit next to a clutch master cylinder.

LA Lancer (1970-1976), also known as:
* Chrysler Valiant Lancer (1973-1976)
LB Lancer (1977-1979)
* Dodge Colt (earlier Colts were Galants)
* Plymouth Arrow (coupe version)

7657.jpg

Use the whole thing; Lancer booster with Lancer master cylinder. Alternatively you can fit a Datsun master cylinder but that requires some modification. The Lancer master cylinder is for disc brakes and suitable in size for Datsun 1200 discs.

At the end is a brake splitter. It can be removed to use the dash-mounted splitter.

LHD 13/16" (large) bore master cylinder uses 1 remote reservoir (wagon uses two remote reservoirs)

If you'd like a smaller bore, the 7/8" from a 1978-1980 Galant/Colt/Sapporo looks like a bolt-on alternative. rockauto.com

Photos showing install of Lancer Booster
3606.jpg 3605.jpg

If you use a Datsun master cylinder with the Lancer booster, you may need to dent the strut tower in a little in order for the booster to fit.

LA/LB Lancer brake booster bolts straight up to the firewall, and the brake pedal, all u need is to get some brake lines made up. It uses 2 holes to bolt to the fire wall by way of a factory aluminum adaptor bracket.

To use the Datsun master cylinder with a lancer booster, you probably have to do some machining work. The outside diameter of the Datsun part is slightly too big for the front of the Mitsubishi part. A friend of mine machined down the master cylinder, but now I'd get the Mitsubishi bit made to suit the master cylinder. The part I'm referring to is the alloy casting which bolts to the front of the booster, and that the master cylinder bolts onto.

2945.jpg 14905.jpg 14906.jpg

reference: what brake booster is the best fit for a 1200

Booster MB004500

Looks like a Galant master cylinder? on Lancer booster
album

Charade

Daihatsu Charade G10 1977-1983

Very tight fit. Brake line goes through hole in strut tower
album

album

Corolla Booster

Booster and master cylinder from circa 2000 Corolla, installed into Datsun 1200.

th_IMGP0151.jpg th_IMGP0153.jpg th_IMGP0155.jpg

Remote Brake Booster

14942.jpg

B210 Booster

Some B210 (including later 120Y) models use a type M45 Master-Vac with 4.5 inch vacuum diaphragm. It is the same as the 610/180B booster except for a different vacuum hose fitting. It can be fitted to a Datsun 1200 with small modifications.

See main article: B210 Brake Booster 

th_620_brake_booster_adapter.jpg 22927.jpg

Maddat

Maddat Product No - BBK1200 CA18 or SR20 /1200 Conversion Kit

Brake Booster / Master / Bracket / Clutch

Simplifies converting the clutch from cable to hydraulic operation. Alloy mounting bracket fits to firewall. New small-can brake booster with 7/8th master. 13/16 or 1" also available.

Basic bracket as supplied in BBK1200 kit for those wanting to use their own booster/master etc

album

12906.jpg

Maddat Code BBK - Datsun Brake Booster. Custom made small sized brake booster. These can be used in many cars where space is an issue. They have adjustable front pins and rear clevis. Finished in gloss black. A range of masters are available to suit you brakes.

Datsport

Datsport Australia

B210 booster setup with reduced thickness spacer to obtain additional clearance.

Booster Spacer

LHD 1200 From Phillipines, spaced with Remote fillers on master cylinder
23674.jpg 23675.jpg 23676.jpg 23679.jpg

Extra-long booster spacer:
album

Unknown type on LHD ute

* Spaced out from firewall
* Remote fillers on master cylinder

Yulon 303T from Taiwan with standard 1990s type booster/master cylinder
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Datsun 620
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Datsun 720 with 620 master cylinder. Clutch master bolts to bracket
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