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- | Intake manifolds for a [[Turbo]] engine. For more airflow, a higher flowing carb, intake, heads (ports and valves) and exhaust system is beneficial. Supercharging will increase power on a stock engine, but increasing the airflow capability of the engine will bring your blown engine to its full potential | + | Intake manifolds for a [[Turbo]] engine. For more airflow, a higher flowing carb, intake, heads (ports and valves) and exhaust system is beneficial. Supercharging will increase power on a stock engine, but increasing the airflow capability of the engine will bring your blown engine to its full potential. |
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=661 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/661.jpg] Tuned-port Intake | + | = Overview = |
+ | [[#Top-hatted Carburetor]] on stock manifold | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|10474|jpg|400}} | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=4862 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/4862.jpg] Log manifold | + | [[#Boxed Carburetor]] |
+ | <br>{{Album|2253}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[#Log Manifolds]] | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|4862}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[#Tuned_Runner_Length|#Tuned-port Intake]] | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|661}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | As far as designing a custom inlet manifold for a turbo, keep the path from carby to turbo as short and straight as possible (hopefully with no uphill stretches) from the turbo, out and up to the top of the manifold. It'll be impossible to avoid an uphill stretch there, just avoid unnecessary twists turns and uphill (or otherwise long) stretches. Use a log type inlet, with the log reaching further forward and back than the front and rear runners. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ??? | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumPhoto|1982}} {{Album|1981}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Album|6060}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Stock Manifold = | ||
+ | [[Turbo#Draw-through_or_blow-through_turbo_systems.3F|Blow-through]] or [[Turbo#Draw-through_or_blow-through_turbo_systems.3F|draw-through]] systems can use the stock [[Intake Manifold]]. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Draw-through | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumLink|Turbo|10476|MED|aname=#oan78}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Stock manifold with EFI throttle body (see [[$1200 EFI Turbo A12]]) | ||
+ | <br>{{UploadPost|6746_551625dbea3e4.jpg|465360}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Blow-through with [[#Top-hatted Carburetor]] | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|526}} {{AlbumLink|Turbo|10474|MED|aname=#oan78}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Blow-through with [[#Boxed Carburetor]] | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|255}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | With pressure hose adapter | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|1000}} {{Album|1004}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Stock Manifold cut and swapped sides | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|5889}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | A15 Turbo using factory Twin Hitachi sidedraft manifold. Adapter runners bolt to a single Weber DCOE | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumPhoto|17526}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Log Manifolds = | ||
+ | A log manifold is a cylindrical plenum type with individual runners to each cylinder. Log manifolds can either be fed by an EFI throttle body or by a sidedraft carburetor. They can be used with either blow-through or draw-through systems. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{See|EFI Manifold#Overview| for more Log info}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Generally, any EFI log manifold can be used with a turbo, you can even use them with a carburetor feeding the log. | ||
Log Manifold | Log Manifold | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20267 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/20267.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20268 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/20268.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=20269 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/20269.jpg] | + | <br>{{AlbumH|20267}} {{AlbumH|20268}} {{AlbumH|20269}} |
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=301 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/301.JPG] UM-1 Manifold | + | UM-1 Manifold |
+ | <br>{{Album|301|JPG}} | ||
Ram plenum manifold | Ram plenum manifold | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=652 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/652.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=653 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/653.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=654 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/654.jpg] | + | <br>{{ThumbH|652}} {{ThumbH|653}} {{ThumbH|654}} |
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=432220#forumpost432220 clyon's A-series Turbo Manifolds] | + | clyon's A-series Turbo Manifolds |
- | <br><img size=140>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/7952_51415765a064e.jpg</img> <img size=140>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/7952_514157d6a5905.jpg</img> <img size=140>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/7952_5156836ba4deb.jpg</img> | + | <br>{{UploadPost|7952_51415765a064e.jpg|432220}} {{UploadPost|7952_514157d6a5905.jpg|432220}} {{UploadPost|7952_5156836ba4deb.jpg|432220}} |
This kind of stock manifold-runner is limited in horsepower. The turbo can force more air through it (for more HP) but the air temp will escalate, limiting the power to be made. | This kind of stock manifold-runner is limited in horsepower. The turbo can force more air through it (for more HP) but the air temp will escalate, limiting the power to be made. | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=21086 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/21086.jpg] | + | <br>{{Album|21086}} |
+ | |||
+ | Corolla manifold adapted | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumLink|Turbo|21918|MED|aname=#slam1024}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Draw-through with very small plenum | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumLink|Turbo|9809|MED|aname=#rice}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Album|6974}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | With air horns (trumpets) | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumH|8135}} {{AlbumH|8136}} {{AlbumH|8137}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{AlbumLink|Turbo|19909|MED|aname=#datsonovic}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Far-side-mounted intercooler | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|2443}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | A15 in Datsun 1000 | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|2511}} {{Album|2519}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | EFI A14 by [[Turbo#dato8u|dato8u]] | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumH|4481|jpg|267}} {{Album|4480|jpg|400}} | ||
= Tuned Runner Length = | = Tuned Runner Length = | ||
For scavenge effect at 5000 RPM, the runners should be 20" long! | For scavenge effect at 5000 RPM, the runners should be 20" long! | ||
- | <br><img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/23939.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=23939 album] | + | <br>{{Album|23939}} |
+ | |||
+ | Optimum runner length vs RPM | ||
+ | <br>{{PhotoPost|intakerunnerlength.jpg|408161}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Album|7611}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Top-hatted Carburetor = | ||
+ | Feeding the carburetor via a top hat was a popular OEM method. phunkdotaspok say the stock Hitachi can handle 10 psi with a good top-gasket seal. In an NA application, a warped top is not a problem, as there is no pressure in the float chamber. This only becomes important in boosted application. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Blow-through system feeding carb top-hat | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumPhoto|519}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[Weber 32/36 Carburetor]] with custom top hat | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|21572}} {{Album|21573}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Twin-sidedraft top hat | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|1127}} {{Album|2967}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | downdraft Dellorto carburetor on custom manifold | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|21056}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | [[Weber 32/36 Carburetor]] hat | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|22271}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Good for 10psi | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|13860}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Album|3496}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Twin Sidedraughts | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumLink|Turbo|5526|MED|aname=#kegs}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/mediawiki/index.php?title=Turbo#fat910 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/thumbs/9641_49d47d0def86c.jpg] | ||
+ | |||
+ | Blow-through | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumLink|Turbo|10474|MED|aname=#oan78}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Album|8415}} {{Album|8579}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Boxed Carburetor = | ||
+ | Blow through works well. The main reason to use this over a draw-through is so an [[Turbo#Intercooler|intercooler]] can be used. The boxed carburetor can take more boost than the top-hatted carburetor. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Boxing the carb allows a more or less stock carb to be used, the outside pressure balancing the inside pressure. Special non-crushable fuel floats are needed. | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=408161#forumpost408161 Optimum runner length vs RPM] | + | {{Album|2249}} {{Album|2253}} |
- | <br><img size=400>http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk47/budleach/intakerunnerlength.jpg</img> | + | |
- | = datto1000wagon = | + | {{Album|535}} |
- | <img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/18884.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=18884 album] | + | |
- | <img size=400>http://datsun1200.com/uploads/photos/18885.jpg</img> [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=18885 album] | + | {{Album|255}} {{Album|293}} |
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16585 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16585.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16584 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16584.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16583 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16583.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16582 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16582.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16563 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16563.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16562 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16562.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16561 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16561.jpg] [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=16560 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/16560.jpg] | + | {{Album|350}} |
- | [[Category:Forced Induction]] | + | [[Category:Forced Induction]]{{End}} |
Current revision
Intake manifolds for a Turbo engine. For more airflow, a higher flowing carb, intake, heads (ports and valves) and exhaust system is beneficial. Supercharging will increase power on a stock engine, but increasing the airflow capability of the engine will bring your blown engine to its full potential.
Contents |
Overview
#Top-hatted Carburetor on stock manifold
As far as designing a custom inlet manifold for a turbo, keep the path from carby to turbo as short and straight as possible (hopefully with no uphill stretches) from the turbo, out and up to the top of the manifold. It'll be impossible to avoid an uphill stretch there, just avoid unnecessary twists turns and uphill (or otherwise long) stretches. Use a log type inlet, with the log reaching further forward and back than the front and rear runners.
Stock Manifold
Blow-through or draw-through systems can use the stock Intake Manifold.
Stock manifold with EFI throttle body (see $1200 EFI Turbo A12)
Blow-through with #Top-hatted Carburetor
Blow-through with #Boxed Carburetor
Stock Manifold cut and swapped sides
A15 Turbo using factory Twin Hitachi sidedraft manifold. Adapter runners bolt to a single Weber DCOE
Log Manifolds
A log manifold is a cylindrical plenum type with individual runners to each cylinder. Log manifolds can either be fed by an EFI throttle body or by a sidedraft carburetor. They can be used with either blow-through or draw-through systems.
Generally, any EFI log manifold can be used with a turbo, you can even use them with a carburetor feeding the log.
clyon's A-series Turbo Manifolds
This kind of stock manifold-runner is limited in horsepower. The turbo can force more air through it (for more HP) but the air temp will escalate, limiting the power to be made.
Draw-through with very small plenum
EFI A14 by dato8u
Tuned Runner Length
For scavenge effect at 5000 RPM, the runners should be 20" long!
Top-hatted Carburetor
Feeding the carburetor via a top hat was a popular OEM method. phunkdotaspok say the stock Hitachi can handle 10 psi with a good top-gasket seal. In an NA application, a warped top is not a problem, as there is no pressure in the float chamber. This only becomes important in boosted application.
Blow-through system feeding carb top-hat
Weber 32/36 Carburetor with custom top hat
downdraft Dellorto carburetor on custom manifold
Boxed Carburetor
Blow through works well. The main reason to use this over a draw-through is so an intercooler can be used. The boxed carburetor can take more boost than the top-hatted carburetor.
Boxing the carb allows a more or less stock carb to be used, the outside pressure balancing the inside pressure. Special non-crushable fuel floats are needed.