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* 46 mm (1-7/8 inch bore) on Z-cars. These are too big for Nissan A engines (even if you use one) and reportedly the late model flat top 46s are a bad design. | * 46 mm (1-7/8 inch bore) on Z-cars. These are too big for Nissan A engines (even if you use one) and reportedly the late model flat top 46s are a bad design. | ||
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For true bolt on experience, you will need a complete setup: | For true bolt on experience, you will need a complete setup: | ||
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In general on a given manifold you can use SU, Zenith-Stromberg (ZS) or Hitachi sidedrafts, but note that the linkage, hose locations and air cleaner attachment will vary. | In general on a given manifold you can use SU, Zenith-Stromberg (ZS) or Hitachi sidedrafts, but note that the linkage, hose locations and air cleaner attachment will vary. | ||
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(The Datsun 1200 GX Engine) | (The Datsun 1200 GX Engine) | ||
- | <br>B110 GX (Grand Luxe Twin-carb) models were fitted with the [[A12 GX Engine]]. This featured a matched pair of left- and right- hand '''Hitachi HJE38W''' sidedraft carbs. These mount at an angle and feed into the monster GX ports of the cylinder head. On a RHD car there is clearance aplenty, but on a LHD car fitting an air cleaner it a bit tricky. But this is more easily fitted to LHD than a twin-Weber setup. | + | <br>B110 GX (Grand Luxe Twin-carb) models were fitted with the [[A12 GX Engine]]. This featured a matched pair of left- and right- hand '''Hitachi HJE38W''' sidedraft carbs. |
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These are the true "dome-top" Hitachis, already setup for performance. They can use standard SU needles so tuning it quite easy. | These are the true "dome-top" Hitachis, already setup for performance. They can use standard SU needles so tuning it quite easy. | ||
- | LOOK! [http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/A12GX A12GX kit photo gallery] | ||
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- | * Oval port inlet manifold with or without water jackets to match the cylinder heads | ||
- | * Intake manifold has 2 studs at the top of each pair of inlet ports (cylinder head matches this). Standard A12 has only one stud per pair of intake ports. | ||
== A12T Engine == | == A12T Engine == |
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Some Datsuns were fitted with sidedraft carburetors right from the factory. Usually fitted with twin Hitachi variable venturi carburetors which are very similar to S.U. (Skinners Union) carburettors from Britain. The Datsun 1200 GX models were fitted with twin Hitachi HJE38W 38 mm carburetors. Many Datsun fans refer to the Hitachis as "SUs", so keep that in mind when you read information. It may be about the factory Hitachi sidedrafts, or it may not be specific.
Reportedly, Hitachi licensed the SU design, but I have yet to see a reference for that (Nissan manual, etc).
Datsun twin-carb setups used two basic Hitachi sizes:
- 38 mm (1-1/2 inch bore) on most cars
- 46 mm (1-7/8 inch bore) on Z-cars. These are too big for Nissan A engines (even if you use one) and reportedly the late model flat top 46s are a bad design.
Contents |
Retro-fitting
For true bolt on experience, you will need a complete setup:
- Intake manifold
- Exhaust manifold (twin down-pipe cast headers). The clearance differently than regular manifolds
- Two carbs
- Fuel lines
- Accelerator cable & linkage
- Choke cables
- Air cleaners
In general on a given manifold you can use SU, Zenith-Stromberg (ZS) or Hitachi sidedrafts, but note that the linkage, hose locations and air cleaner attachment will vary.
NOTE: The Hitachi sidedraught carbs are on the left side of the A-series engine. On a RHD car there is clearance aplenty, but on a LHD car fitting an air cleaner it a bit tricky. But this is more easily fitted to LHD than a twin-Weber setup.
Three Different Designs
- A12GX for B110 (1971-1973) - Extra Large Oval Ports (30 x 34.5 mm)
- A12T for B210 (1974-1975) - Extra Large Oval Ports
- A14T for B210 (1976-1978) - Standard Oval Ports (28 x 34 mm)
A12 GX Engine
Also see: A12GX Part Numbers
See main article A12GX Engine
(The Datsun 1200 GX Engine)
B110 GX (Grand Luxe Twin-carb) models were fitted with the A12 GX Engine. This featured a matched pair of left- and right- hand Hitachi HJE38W sidedraft carbs.
These are the true "dome-top" Hitachis, already setup for performance. They can use standard SU needles so tuning it quite easy.
A12T Engine
(The B210 Engine GX-T Engine)
Some Cherry models, and 1974-1975 B210s GX models had the A12T twin-carb engine. While very similar to the A12 GX Engine, the A12T engine used different, flattop Hitachis and a slightly different intake manifold.
NOTE: B210 "GX" refers to the car only and does not necessarily mean the car included a twin-carb engine as the B110 GX did. In Japan B210 GX did include the A12T engine, however outside Japan most B210 GX models were fitted with a single-carb (A12S) engine.
- 11041-H5702 HEAD ASS'Y-cylinder A12T
Datsun Cherry (E10) models also used the A12T engine.
- 11041-M0801 HEAD ASSY-CYLINDER A12T
Most likely the fittings and accessory bolts are slightly different from the A12GX version.
A14T Engine
(B210 GX-T Engine)
Starting around 1976, the A12T was phased out and the A14T started. Unlike the original A12GX engine with its monster intake ports, the A14T used standard A14 oval ports (28 x 34 mm), which are smaller than A12GX ports. A14T used a single tube exhaust manifold (A12 twin-carb engines used twin-outlet exhaust manifold).
One improvement over the A12GX engine is that the A14T uses a small thermostat where the water goes into the manifold (see: A14T Part Numbers.
These are flat-top carbs, probably the same as L18SSS engines, heavily modified from the original SU-style design, apparently to add much emission controls. These are decent carburetors that only need a few simple modifications.
LOOK! A14T manifold photo gallery
Features:
- EGR port
- Flat-top triangular-bell Hitachis
- Vacuum ports on each end, top of manifold
- No PCV valve fitting
Carb side:
- 4-bolt pattern on 3.5 in. circle
- 1.5 inch bore
- Carb spacing approx 7-1/8 inch
- Water ports at bottom
A14T engines have the standard A14 oval ports -- smaller than A12GX engine.
- A14T Manifold matches standard A14 gasket
- 11041-M2460 HEAD ASSY-CYLINDER A14T
Datsun Cherry (F10) models with A14T engine also used the very same cylinder head.
Variations
Dome Tops vs Flat tops:
- Dome Tops are early models
- Flat Tops are 1974-up with emission controls
38 mm
- HJB38W: Roadster R engine (SPL311-1600)
- HJB38W-3: Roadster with G engine, also 1968 R engine)
- HJE38W: B110
- HJL38W6: 510 L16 & L18
46 mm
- HJG46W: Roadster U20 (SRL311-2000)
Parts Donors
- A12 GX import engines
- Datsun Competition setups
- Datsun Roadsters: Reportedly, all Roadsters were fitted with Hitachis except the 2000 Roadster (2-liter engine) which came with Solex carbs.
- Datsun 411 SSS (circa 1966)
- Datsun 510 SSS
- Datsun 610/710 SSS
Damper Oil
The damper (aka dashpot) is oil-filled. Nissan recommended 20W or 10W30 Elephant Oil, but any brand of motor oil will work. Others have reported success with ATF (automatic transmission fluid), sewing machine oil (generally 10W), or motorcyle oil. The lighter oils tend to run the carb on the lean side.
Tuning
Go here for lots of information: The Hitachi-SU Tech Pages.
Troubleshooting
Go here for lots of information: The Hitachi-SU Tech Pages - Troubleshooting.
References
- Nissan Motorsports catalog (#99996-CAT98 and other years)
- Nissan Schematic catalog (#99996-M8015)
Parts Suppliers
- Z-Therapy sells parts and complete setups http://www.ztherapy.com
- Get the 510 SSS carb setup. The jetting is slightly different but otherwise they are the same
- craigslist and other local sources (from time to time)
- eBay from time to time
The parts although not common, are not rare in USA. Quite a few twin setups were found on import engines in the 1980s, and quite a few were purchased from Datsun Competition, so they can be found.
ZTherapy is in the USA, and always has them on hand.
Links
- The Hitachi-SU Tech Pages
- Datsun Service Manual for Hitachi
- buy SU/ZS carbs
- SU tech info from 311s.org
- discussion: NWDE
- http://www.mydatsunroadster.com/2005_07_01_archive.html
- http://www.efn.org/~msayer/zcm/SUTUNE.html
- http://www.ztherapy.com
- http://www.mydatsunroadster.com/2005_08_01_archive.html