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- | The Mazda rotary engine is a good match for Datsun 1200 -- it is light and compact. It makes more power than a piston engine of the same size and weight. The engine weight is down low so it doesn't interfere with good handling. | + | The Mazda [[rotary]] engine is a good match for Datsun 1200 -- it is light and compact. It makes more power than a piston engine of the same size and weight. The engine weight is down low so it doesn't interfere with good handling. |
+ | <br>{{Album|15230}} | ||
= Performance = | = Performance = | ||
- | Also See: [[wikipedia:Mazda Wankel engine]] | + | Also See: {{wiki|Mazda Wankel engine}} |
Typical engine power in stock form: | Typical engine power in stock form: | ||
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* 13B-MSP (RX-8) 237 hp USA, 191-250 hp world | * 13B-MSP (RX-8) 237 hp USA, 191-250 hp world | ||
- | {{Album|13279}} | + | {{Album|13279}} {{AlbumH|18584|jpg|284}} |
Quarter Mile acceleration performance ranges from quick to insanely quick. With a totally stock rotary engine you won't be wanting for power. | Quarter Mile acceleration performance ranges from quick to insanely quick. With a totally stock rotary engine you won't be wanting for power. | ||
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Rotor Power | Rotor Power | ||
- | <br>{{Album|6353}} {{Album|22484}} | + | <br>{{AlbumH|6353|jpg|266}} {{Album|22484}} |
= Overview = | = Overview = | ||
- | * Modify crossmember & fabricate new mounts | + | Search Club!: {{search.me|rotary}} {{search.me|10A}} {{search.me|12A}} {{search.me|13B}} |
- | * Oil pan | + | Image search: {{images|Rotary+Datsun+1200|Rotary Datsun 1200}} |
- | * Bigger tunnel to fit the Mazda transmission | + | Video search: {{Videos|rotary+Datsun+1200|Rotary Datsun 1200}} |
- | * Custom gearbox mount | + | |
- | * Custom exhaust | + | |
- | * Custom turbo manifolds (for 13BT) | + | |
- | * Larger radiator (suitable for the HP of the engine) | + | |
- | * Tailshaft, custom | + | |
- | * Shifter relocation forward | + | |
- | * Differential suitable for torque of engine | + | |
- | {{UploadPost|9658_5097cd22a8724.jpg|422392}} {{UploadPost|9658_5097cd525d37a.jpg|422392}} {{UploadPost|9658_5097cdd4360f0.jpg|422392}} | + | * [[#Differential]] suitable for torque of engine |
+ | * [[Radiator Upgrades|Radiator Upgrade]] suitable for the HP of the engine | ||
+ | * Mazda engine & transmission | ||
+ | ** Modify crossmember & fabricate new mounts | ||
+ | ** Custom gearbox mount | ||
+ | ** Oil pan to suit 1200 | ||
+ | ** Bigger tunnel to fit the Mazda transmission | ||
+ | ** Custom exhaust | ||
+ | ** Custom turbo manifolds (for 13BT) | ||
+ | ** Shifter relocation forward | ||
+ | * [[#Driveshaft|Tailshaft]], custom | ||
- | = Discussions = | + | {{UploadPostH|9658_5097cd22a8724.jpg|422392|299}} {{UploadPost|9658_5097cd525d37a.jpg|422392}} {{UploadPost|9658_5097cdd4360f0.jpg|422392}} |
- | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=421357#forumpost421357 Rotary conversion advice] | + | |
- | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41624&forum=9 Project: SUNNY COUPE GX (13B COSMO TURBO)] | + | |
- | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=93 Rota 1200] | + | |
- | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=262362 Rotary 1200 Coupe, 6 Speed] | + | |
- | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=88772#forumpost88772 Datsun 1000 Rotary] | + | |
- | {{Album|15129}} | + | 13BT in Sunny B310 |
+ | <br>{{Album|18819}} {{Album|18818}} | ||
= Engine = | = Engine = | ||
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12A (1146 cc, equivalent to 2.4 liter piston engine) | 12A (1146 cc, equivalent to 2.4 liter piston engine) | ||
- | <br>{{PhotoPost|12A-1.jpg|88772|wiki}} {{Album|19408}} | + | <br>{{PhotoPost|12A-1.jpg|88772|wiki}} {{Album|19408|jpg|400}} |
Mazda 13B (1308 cc, equivalent to 2.6 liter piston engine) carbureted | Mazda 13B (1308 cc, equivalent to 2.6 liter piston engine) carbureted | ||
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13B Fuel Injected | 13B Fuel Injected | ||
- | <br>{{Album|15021}} | + | <br>{{Album|15021|jpg|400}} |
Mazda 13B Turbo rotary engine | Mazda 13B Turbo rotary engine | ||
- | <br>{{Album|93}} | + | <br>{{Album|93|jpg|400}} |
Mazda 13B Turbo Factory EFI | Mazda 13B Turbo Factory EFI | ||
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<br>{{Album|14572}} {{UploadPost|174_5858bfca31446.jpg|482854}} {{PhotoPost|IMG_1142.jpg|206350|wiki}} {{PhotoPost|IMG_1150.jpg|206350|wiki}} | <br>{{Album|14572}} {{UploadPost|174_5858bfca31446.jpg|482854}} {{PhotoPost|IMG_1142.jpg|206350|wiki}} {{PhotoPost|IMG_1150.jpg|206350|wiki}} | ||
- | = Engine Mounts = | + | 13B carbureted |
+ | <br>{{Album|15587|jpg|400}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Discussions = | ||
+ | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=421357#forumpost421357 Rotary conversion advice] | ||
+ | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41624&forum=9 Project: SUNNY COUPE GX (13B COSMO TURBO)] | ||
+ | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=93 Rota 1200] | ||
+ | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=262362 Rotary 1200 Coupe, 6 Speed] | ||
+ | * [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=88772#forumpost88772 Datsun 1000 Rotary] | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Album|15129}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Builds = | ||
+ | Datrotor's [[DATYLD]] | ||
+ | <br>{{Photo!|2F5B0AC9-38E2-4975-97DB-795BECF2A234.jpg|wiki}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Stu's [[rxute]] | ||
+ | <br>{{Album!|19370}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Swap Notes = | ||
+ | == Oil Pan == | ||
+ | Use the Moroso oil pan for Datsun 1200. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Album|24941}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Engine Mounts == | ||
Cut out about 10mm out of the standard 1200 crossmember and brace it. This allows the engine to sit low enough. | Cut out about 10mm out of the standard 1200 crossmember and brace it. This allows the engine to sit low enough. | ||
- | {{PhotoPost|Cutcut_zps954618cf.jpg|427382|wiki}} {{UploadPost|12811_4dd76b237e05d.jpg|368782|width=SM}} | + | {{PhotoPost|Cutcut_zps954618cf.jpg|427382|wiki}} {{UploadPostH|12811_4dd76b237e05d.jpg|368782|300}} |
- | == Front Mount == | + | === Front Mount === |
Most swappers use the front-mount engine case. | Most swappers use the front-mount engine case. | ||
- | Fit at front of engine bay | + | Fit at front of engine bay (two styles shown) |
- | <br>{{UploadPost|12811_4dd76b7f6e64d.jpg|368782}} | + | <br>{{UploadPost|12811_4dd76b7f6e64d.jpg|368782}} {{AlbumH|9420|jpg|300}} |
Mount circled in green. Original engine mounts are removed (circled in red) | Mount circled in green. Original engine mounts are removed (circled in red) | ||
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{{Album|2616}} {{Album|2700}} {{Album|2701}} {{Album|2702}} {{Album|2703}} {{Album|20618}} | {{Album|2616}} {{Album|2700}} {{Album|2701}} {{Album|2702}} {{Album|2703}} {{Album|20618}} | ||
- | == Side Mount == | + | === Engine Setback === |
+ | If you want to get the rotary farther back, the tunnel is cut larger. Consequently the pedals will need to be moved. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Album|8555}} {{Album|9421}} {{Album|9422}} {{Album|8556}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | === Side Mount === | ||
[[Mad Dat]] 13BT Fitting Kit allows the newer-type rotary engine side mount, their crossmember curves down so the top of the cross member is lower. | [[Mad Dat]] 13BT Fitting Kit allows the newer-type rotary engine side mount, their crossmember curves down so the top of the cross member is lower. | ||
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Includes custom engine crossmember, custom 13B engine brackets, rubber mounts, gearbox cross member (2 part) and gearbox rubber mount. Adjustable 22mm sway bar includes mounting bushes & saddles and link ends. Suits RX-7 S4 (1985 - 1988) and RX-7 S5 (1989 - 1991) as is. Engine cross member comes with engineers report. | Includes custom engine crossmember, custom 13B engine brackets, rubber mounts, gearbox cross member (2 part) and gearbox rubber mount. Adjustable 22mm sway bar includes mounting bushes & saddles and link ends. Suits RX-7 S4 (1985 - 1988) and RX-7 S5 (1989 - 1991) as is. Engine cross member comes with engineers report. | ||
- | == Motor Plate == | + | === Motor Plate === |
For racing a hard-mounted motor plate can be used. Not recommended for a street car as it transmit vibration directly to the body. | For racing a hard-mounted motor plate can be used. Not recommended for a street car as it transmit vibration directly to the body. | ||
{{Album|2915}} | {{Album|2915}} | ||
- | = Oil Pan = | + | == Transmission == |
- | Use the Moroso oil pan for Datsun 1200. | + | Use the transmission that comes with the rotary engine (the Mazda transmission). |
- | {{Album|24941}} | + | {{AlbumH|19869|jpg|262}} {{Album|8040}} |
- | = Transmission = | + | Fabricate gearbox mounts. |
- | Use the transmission that comes with the rotary engine (the Mazda transmission). | + | {{See|Wide gearbox crossmember}} |
- | {{Album|19869}} {{Album|8040}} | + | Two styles |
+ | <br>{{Album|9423}} {{Album|11776}} | ||
== Driveshaft == | == Driveshaft == | ||
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{{Album|15141}} | {{Album|15141}} | ||
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- | == Transmission Mount == | ||
- | Mount the gearbox the with a similar bracket to ca18 one. | ||
- | <br>{{Album|9423}} | ||
- | |||
- | or make a new gearbox crossmember. | ||
- | |||
- | {{SeeMainArticle!|Wide gearbox crossmember}} | ||
- | |||
- | {{PhotoPost|IMG_20130115_192832.jpg|427624|wiki}} | ||
== Tunnel == | == Tunnel == | ||
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Alternatively you can fit an aftermarket hydraulic throwout bearing to replace the clutch fork. | Alternatively you can fit an aftermarket hydraulic throwout bearing to replace the clutch fork. | ||
- | = Differential = | + | == Differential == |
- | The least 12A engine outputs 100 lb. ft. of torque. The stock Datsun 1200 [[H145]] diff can handle that. | + | [[Rear_Axle_Swaps#Strength_of_Differential_--_Torque_Rating|Diff Strength]]: differential suitable for torque of engine |
- | But many 12A put out 115 lb. ft. of torque, which calls for a stronger diff. The [[H150]] from a B210 or B310 can handle this. | + | * The least 12A engine outputs 100 lb. ft. of torque. The stock Datsun 1200 [[H145]] diff can handle that. |
- | Stock 13B engine calls for an [[H165]]. | + | * Many 12A put out 115 lb. ft. of torque, which calls for a stronger diff. The [[H150]] from a B210 or B310 can handle this. See [[Rear_Axle_Swaps#B210_Japan_.28Hitachi.29_axle]] |
- | Any modified rotary (especially if the turbo boost is raised) will need a stronger differential, such as a Nissan H190. Drag racing versions need the ultra-strong Ford 9". | + | * Stock 13B engine calls for an [[H165]]. See [[Rear_Axle_Swaps#1200_Ute]] |
- | See: [[Rear_Axle_Swaps#Strength_of_Differential_--_Torque_Rating|Rear Axle Swaps]] | + | * Any modified rotary (especially if the turbo boost is raised) will need a stronger differential, such as a [[Rear_Axle_Swaps#H190_320_Truck|Nissan H190 swap]]. Serious drag racing versions may need the ultra-strong [[Rear_Axle_Swaps#Ford_9.22|Ford 9"]]. |
- | = Exhaust = | + | {{Main|Rear_Axle_Swaps#Strength_of_Differential_--_Torque_Rating}} |
+ | |||
+ | == Exhaust == | ||
For the 13BT, run headers to the rear firewall across to the passenger side. | For the 13BT, run headers to the rear firewall across to the passenger side. | ||
- | = Wiring = | + | == Wiring == |
Fit these using the stock 1200 wiring harness. Wires may need to extended. | Fit these using the stock 1200 wiring harness. Wires may need to extended. | ||
* Starter + | * Starter + | ||
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+ | |||
+ | {{UploadPost|14815_4e4340674eac2.jpg|379289}} | ||
= Photo Index = | = Photo Index = |
Current revision
The Mazda rotary engine is a good match for Datsun 1200 -- it is light and compact. It makes more power than a piston engine of the same size and weight. The engine weight is down low so it doesn't interfere with good handling.
Contents |
Performance
Also See: Mazda Wankel engineᵂ
Typical engine power in stock form:
- 12A: 100-130 HP, 100-115 lb. ft. torque
- 13B EFI: 135 hp, 133 lb. ft. torque
- 13B-Turbo (1987-1991 "Turbo II"): 185-200 HP
- 13B-REW (twin turbo) 255-280 hp
- 13B-MSP (RX-8) 237 hp USA, 191-250 hp world
Quarter Mile acceleration performance ranges from quick to insanely quick. With a totally stock rotary engine you won't be wanting for power.
- 19.8 secs at 65 mph: Stock Datsun 1200 piston engine (baseline)
- 16.1 at 90mph: bone stock 12A rotary engine tuned by ear
- Ange's 13.7 second 12A bridgeport
- JVML's 8.1 second 13B twin turbo
Overview
Search Club!: <rotary> <10A> <12A> <13B> Image search: Rotary Datsun 1200ᴵ Video search: Rotary Datsun 1200V ᴳ
- #Differential suitable for torque of engine
- Radiator Upgrade suitable for the HP of the engine
- Mazda engine & transmission
- Modify crossmember & fabricate new mounts
- Custom gearbox mount
- Oil pan to suit 1200
- Bigger tunnel to fit the Mazda transmission
- Custom exhaust
- Custom turbo manifolds (for 13BT)
- Shifter relocation forward
- Tailshaft, custom
Engine
The Mazda rotary comes in two common sizes: 12A and 13B. In Australia, choose a 10A for street legal swaps. Everyone else, choose the 13B. There are less common versions, the old 10A and the ultra-rare and expensive 20B triple rotor.
Custom Single Rotor rotary engine (pictured in Datsun 1000)
12A (1146 cc, equivalent to 2.4 liter piston engine)
Mazda 13B (1308 cc, equivalent to 2.6 liter piston engine) carbureted
13B Turbo with factory intercooler
Discussions
- Rotary conversion advice
- Project: SUNNY COUPE GX (13B COSMO TURBO)
- Rota 1200
- Rotary 1200 Coupe, 6 Speed
- Datsun 1000 Rotary
Builds
Datrotor's DATYLD
Stu's rxute
Swap Notes
Oil Pan
Use the Moroso oil pan for Datsun 1200.
Engine Mounts
Cut out about 10mm out of the standard 1200 crossmember and brace it. This allows the engine to sit low enough.
Front Mount
Most swappers use the front-mount engine case.
Fit at front of engine bay (two styles shown)
Mount circled in green. Original engine mounts are removed (circled in red)
Topic - Weld or bolt new custom-made brackets to the front of the chassis rails (bolt to bumper support bolts)
If your rotary doesn't have a front-mount case, you can retro-fit it using a 12A timing cover (which fits on 13B).
Engine Setback
If you want to get the rotary farther back, the tunnel is cut larger. Consequently the pedals will need to be moved.
Side Mount
Mad Dat 13BT Fitting Kit allows the newer-type rotary engine side mount, their crossmember curves down so the top of the cross member is lower.
Datrotor fabricated these for a 13B:
Mad Dat
13BT into 1200 Engine Fitting Kit Product No - FK13B1200 ($1200 in 2012)
Includes custom engine crossmember, custom 13B engine brackets, rubber mounts, gearbox cross member (2 part) and gearbox rubber mount. Adjustable 22mm sway bar includes mounting bushes & saddles and link ends. Suits RX-7 S4 (1985 - 1988) and RX-7 S5 (1989 - 1991) as is. Engine cross member comes with engineers report.
Motor Plate
For racing a hard-mounted motor plate can be used. Not recommended for a street car as it transmit vibration directly to the body.
Transmission
Use the transmission that comes with the rotary engine (the Mazda transmission).
Fabricate gearbox mounts.
Driveshaft
A custom driveshaft to mate the Mazda transmission with your differential will have to be fabricated. Any driveshaft shop can make this for you.
Shifter
A new shifter mount hole may need to cut? Look into doing the shifter extension mod otherwise your shifter will be a little bit to far back for comfort (it will sit in between the front seats right in front of the handbrake).
Tunnel
Some fabricate a large tunnel. Is it necessary, or just used with beefy racing transmissions?
In any cause, you'll have to make the tunnel higher through the middle and make space for the clutch fork, or cut a hole for the clutch fork.
Alternatively you can fit an aftermarket hydraulic throwout bearing to replace the clutch fork.
Differential
Diff Strength: differential suitable for torque of engine
- The least 12A engine outputs 100 lb. ft. of torque. The stock Datsun 1200 H145 diff can handle that.
- Many 12A put out 115 lb. ft. of torque, which calls for a stronger diff. The H150 from a B210 or B310 can handle this. See Rear_Axle_Swaps#B210_Japan_.28Hitachi.29_axle
- Stock 13B engine calls for an H165. See Rear_Axle_Swaps#1200_Ute
- Any modified rotary (especially if the turbo boost is raised) will need a stronger differential, such as a Nissan H190 swap. Serious drag racing versions may need the ultra-strong Ford 9".
Exhaust
For the 13BT, run headers to the rear firewall across to the passenger side.
Wiring
Fit these using the stock 1200 wiring harness. Wires may need to extended.
* Starter + * Starter S * Alternator + * Alternator Earth * Engine earth * Body earth * Coil
For carbureted engine * electric choke (connect to coil 12V)
For EFI engine * ECU relay * Fuel pump relay
Rotary-Powered Datsun 1200 photo index
Here are some pictures from our club photo album. Click a pic for larger photos, details, and discussion: