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Just about anything can and has been used! Brake and strut assemblies from Fiat to Ford have been fitted to 1200s. | Just about anything can and has been used! Brake and strut assemblies from Fiat to Ford have been fitted to 1200s. | ||
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+ | Swap them! | ||
+ | <br>{{AlbumH|2122|jpg|341}} {{Album|14800|width=SM}} | ||
= Overview = | = Overview = | ||
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* To allow greater choice of high-performance strut shock inserts | * To allow greater choice of high-performance strut shock inserts | ||
- | Brake Comparo | + | Brake Comparo: 9.5" disks of the B310 vs. 8.5" disks of the 1200 |
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3891 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/3891.jpg] | + | <br>{{Album|3891}} |
- | <br>9.5" disks of the B310 vs. 8.5" disks of the 1200 | + | |
Counterpoint: There are some good reasons not to change your struts. | Counterpoint: There are some good reasons not to change your struts. | ||
* The stock struts are very light, which is good for acceleration and susension control (unsprung weight) | * The stock struts are very light, which is good for acceleration and susension control (unsprung weight) | ||
- | * They also have a good damping qualities for the smoothest ride. | + | * They also have a good damping qualities for the smoothest ride |
* You can lower/shorten the stock struts | * You can lower/shorten the stock struts | ||
* You can fit different spring rates to the stock struts | * You can fit different spring rates to the stock struts | ||
- | * Less work to keep them. Less expensive to keep them. | + | * Less work to keep them. Less expensive to keep them |
- | * You can fit large brakes to stock 1200 struts. See [[Brake Upgrades]] | + | * You can fit very large brakes to stock 1200 struts. See [[Brake Upgrades]] |
+ | * Most swaps increase the offset. Stock struts won't do this | ||
+ | |||
+ | This article focuses on swapping struts. For simpler brake upgrades, see [[Brake Swaps]]. For general information on better brakes, see [[Brake Swaps]]. | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Nissan Strut Swaps = | ||
+ | * For general information about 1200/120Y strut swaps, see [[1200 and 120Y Strut and Brake Upgrades]] | ||
+ | * For specific swaps see the details below | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Mods Needed = | ||
+ | With any swap, use the 1200 strut tops (not the tops from the donor car) with the 1200 upper spring seat. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Only B110, 120Y and B310 are bolt-in strut swaps for the 1200. | ||
+ | |||
+ | All other require some modification. The usual strut-swap mods are needed: | ||
+ | * A strut-accepting package of parts. The A10 [[SAP]] (lower bits) works with many 2.0" struts | ||
+ | * [[Shortening struts|shortening the struts]] depending on how low you want the car | ||
+ | * [[Fastening Spring Seats|moving the spring seat]] and/or [[Lowering|lowering springs/cut springs]] | ||
- | This article focuses on swapping struts. For simpler brake upgrades, see [[Brake Swaps]]. | ||
- | For general information on better brakes, see [[Brake Swaps]]. | + | These are NOT required: |
+ | * aftermarket coilovers | ||
+ | * camber plates | ||
= Coilover conversion = | = Coilover conversion = | ||
- | With stock Datsun 1200 struts or upgraded struts, you have the option to use the stock coilover configuration (which can be lowered), or convert them to small-diameter coilover springs. Advantages include: | + | With stock Datsun 1200 struts or upgraded struts, you have the option to use the stock coilover configuration (which can be lowered), or convert them to aftermarket small-diameter coilover springs. Advantages include: |
* Many spring rates are available for customizing | * Many spring rates are available for customizing | ||
- | * If using small-diameter springs, you gain | + | * If using small-diameter springs, you gain: |
** more room to move the strut inward for extra negative [[Camber]] | ** more room to move the strut inward for extra negative [[Camber]] | ||
** more room for tires, or wider tires | ** more room for tires, or wider tires | ||
- | Stock springs can be lowered and different size and rates are availabe, so there is no advantage there to the small-diameter springs. | + | Stock springs can be lowered and different size and rates of spring are available, so there is no advantage there to the small-diameter springs. |
- | See main article: [[Coilovers]] | + | {{Main|Coilovers}} |
- | = Popular conversions using Datsun donor parts= | + | = Turnkey Strut Packages = |
+ | == Datsport== | ||
+ | {{web|www.datsport.com|Datsport}} | ||
- | * B310 strut swap brake upgrade. A great bolt on. Larger brakes. Requires cutting and lowering the spring cup | + | 200B budget strut/brake package {{web|www.datsport.com/strut-dsk245B.html|$1695 AUD/pair}} |
- | * 280ZX strut swap brake upgrade. Great for lowered cars, big brakes. Requires cutting and lowering the spring cup | + | <br>{{UploadPost|17193_518b8e3a80cb6.jpg|436883}} {{UploadPostH|17193_518b8e50ecbf5.jpg|436883|385}} |
- | * A10 (78-82 510, Stanza) Strut swap brake upgrade. Very large brakes possible. Requires cutting and lowering the spring cup | + | <br>Struts are 200B or stanza shortened & remachined to take heavy duty 25% uprated 300ZX KYB inserts. Fitted with adjustable platforms and DATSPORT custom hi-tensile 250lb pro sport springs. Progressive urethane bump stops fit neatly into the top spring hat. A budget strut to suit 1200,120Y, Sunny, Stanza, 180B, 200B & 510/1600. Designed to take 13" rims for that sleeper look. |
- | A no-maching/no cutting/no welding solution is the 280ZX brakes on stock 1200 strut. | + | {{web|www.datsport.com/R32Z_CO_DS.html|R31 struts with Z 4-pot calipers $2990 AUD/pair}} for 15" wheels |
- | == 1200 Disc-brake Swap == | + | == Maddat == |
- | B110 "Standard" models used front drum brakes (most Aussie sedans are STD models). You can simply bolt the disc-brake struts together with brake assembly directly onto a STD car. You will also need the master cylinder and brake lines. | + | [[Maddat]] parts for 1200 |
- | See main article: [[1200 Disc Brake Swap]] | + | Shortened 200B struts fitted with KYB inserts, 250lb lowered king springs & bump stops. WITHOUT BRAKES {{web|www.maddat.com.au/strut.php|$1400 AUD/pair}} |
+ | |||
+ | BRAKES for above: 280mm vented disc rotors, RX7 S6 Calipers (new seal kits fitted), adaptor brackets, bolts, washers. wheel bearing kits, new rubber lines. Kit is designed to fit 200B or late Stanza struts. {{web|www.maddat.com.au/1200.php|$1265 AUD/pair}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | = Popular conversions using Datsun donor parts= | ||
+ | * B310 strut swap brake upgrade. A great bolt on. Larger brakes. | ||
+ | * 280ZX strut swap brake upgrade. Great for lowered cars, or racing with its big vented brakes. Requires cutting the spring cup and fitting the 1200 spring cup | ||
+ | * A10 (1978-1982 510/Stanza) Strut swap brake upgrade. Very large brakes possible. | ||
+ | |||
+ | A no-machining/no-cutting/no-welding solution is the 280ZX brakes on stock 1200 strut. See [[280ZX Brake Upgrade]]. | ||
+ | |||
+ | == 1200 Disc-brake Strut Swap == | ||
+ | B110 "Standard" models used front drum brakes (most Aussie sedans are STD models). You can simply bolt the disc-brake struts together with brake assembly directly onto a STD car. You will also need the master cylinder and brake lines. All coupes came with disc brakes. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Main|1200 Disc Brake Swap}} | ||
== 120Y Strut Swap == | == 120Y Strut Swap == | ||
- | 1. Japan-built 120Y | + | 1. Japan-built 120Y (A12-powered B210) |
- | <br>For the Australia market B210 (120Y), the bare strut is the same for the 1200 coupe & the 120Y [Australia built sedans excepted] and so are the disc brakes. Springs too if i'm not mistaken, so these parts will provide you with a stock upgrade, but use the 1200's upper spring seat [the bit that bolts to the body] to avoid raising the front. | + | <br>For the Australia market 120Y, the bare strut is the same for the 1200 coupe & the 120Y [Australia built sedans excepted] and so are the disc brakes. Springs too if i'm not mistaken, so these parts will provide you with a stock upgrade, but use the 1200's upper spring seat [the bit that bolts to the body] to avoid raising the front. The [[hub]] may have a slightly different offset. |
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+ | 1974-1975 | ||
+ | * small spindle/large bearing/212 mm rotor | ||
+ | 1976-1978 | ||
+ | * large spindle/small bearing/220 mm rotor | ||
+ | |||
+ | 2. [[Australian-assembled]] 120Y uses PBR caliper and adapter plate | ||
+ | <br>Late model 120Y with PBR brakes pull up hard!! For a CA18DET conversion 120Y or 1200 coupe struts & discs are legally sufficient and have great stopping capablities, just not repeatedly in a short period of time the 120Y Brakes have suprised us a couple of times as to how well they stop. See [{{Post|112111}} Time to get this datto stopping and turning!] | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|7551}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | The basic swap process is exactly the same as [[1200 Disc Brake Swap]]. | ||
- | 2. [[Australian-assembled]] 120Y Sedan | + | For more information on the brakes used by late Aussie-spec 120Y, see [[Brakes#120Y]] |
- | <br>Late model 120Y PBR brakes pull up hard!! For a CA18DET conversion 120Y or 1200 coupe struts & discs are legally sufficient and have great stopping capablities, just not repeatedly in a short period of time the 120Y Brakes have suprised us a couple of times as to how well they stop. See[http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=22002&forum=1 Time to get this datto stopping and turning!] | + | |
== B210, B310 == | == B210, B310 == | ||
- | B310 with 13" wheels and USA HB210 caliper swap - add bigger brakes, this is the easiest upgrade, but are still light in performance compared to modern cars. Good for street use, and can be modified for racing use. | + | [[B210]] or [[B310]] with 13" wheels - add bigger brakes (245 mm, up from the 1200's 212 mm), this is the easiest upgrade, but are still light in performance compared to modern cars. Good for street use, and can be modified for racing use. They are almost as big as S13 brakes, but are solid (non-vented) for light weight. |
- | NOTE: Datsun 1200 (B110) uses 45mm diameter strut tubes, while HB210 USA uses 50.8 (as with almost all other Datsuns). This means the HB210 strut itself is not interchangeble with B110, but as a whole assembly it can be done. | + | NOTE: Datsun 1200 (B110) uses 45mm diameter strut tubes, while HB210/HB310 uses 2.0" (as with almost all other Datsuns). This means the strut itself is not interchangeble with B110, but as a whole assembly it can be done. |
- | [[Front Suspension Specification|Rotor Sizes]]<table border=1 cellspacing=0 width=100%><tr bgcolor=ccccff><td align = center valign=top>Dia. (mm)</td><td align = center valign=top>Part Number</td><td align = center valign=top>Source</td></tr><tr><td valign=top>212.5</td><td valign=top>40206-H1006</td><td valign=top><b>B110</b>, B210 with A12 1974, 1975</td></tr><tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td valign=top>220 (AN18)</td><td valign=top>40206-H7500</td><td valign=top>B210 A12 1976-1978,B310 with 12" wheels</td></tr><tr><td valign=top>232</td><td valign=top>40206-A1155</td><td valign=top>B210 A13, PB110?, PB210 early?</td></tr><tr bgcolor=f0f0f0><td valign=top>245 (AN20)</td><td valign=top>40206-U6700</td><td valign=top>B210 A14, <b>B310 A14/A15</b>, PB210 late?</td></tr></table> | + | [[Front Suspension Specification|Rotor Sizes]]<table class="wiki_table"><tr><td align = center valign=top>Dia. (mm)</td><td align = center valign=top>Part Number</td><td align = center valign=top>Source</td></tr><tr><td valign=top>212.5</td><td valign=top>40206-H1006</td><td valign=top><b>B110</b>, B210 with A12 1974, 1975</td></tr><tr><td valign=top>220 (AN18)</td><td valign=top>40206-H7500</td><td valign=top>B210 A12 1976-1978,B310 with 12" wheels</td></tr><tr><td valign=top>232</td><td valign=top>40206-A1155</td><td valign=top>B210 A13, PB110?, PB210 early?</td></tr><tr><td valign=top>245 (AN20)</td><td valign=top>40206-U6700</td><td valign=top>B210 A14, <b>B310 A14/A15</b>, PB210 late?</td></tr></table> |
You can swap USA HB210 struts onto a 1200, to get larger brakes. Use the 1200 spring. | You can swap USA HB210 struts onto a 1200, to get larger brakes. Use the 1200 spring. | ||
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* B210 with A12 & A13 engine have larger strut/brake assemblies that will fit under 12" wheels | * B210 with A12 & A13 engine have larger strut/brake assemblies that will fit under 12" wheels | ||
* If you are moving to 13" wheels, do the B310 swap instead for even better brakes for no extra work | * If you are moving to 13" wheels, do the B310 swap instead for even better brakes for no extra work | ||
- | * Australian built 120Y's from July 1976 used a completely diferent disc brake setup. They use a Mitusbishi (?) caliper and brake pads | + | * Australian built 120Y's from July 1976 used a completely diferent disc brake setup. 1976-1978 120Y struts use an Aussie-sourced PBR caliper, same as Mitusbishi Sigma |
- | *: reference: [http://martybugs.net/DatsunMods/brakes.html#120Ydisks Marty's 120Y brake swap] | + | *: reference: {{web|martybugs.net/DatsunMods/brakes.html#120Ydisks|Marty's 120Y brake swap}} |
- | *: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=4731 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/4731.jpg] | + | *: {{Album|4731}} |
- | * 1978 120Y Sedan struts discs and calipers are an Aussie assembled PBR product | + | |
'''B310 Swap''' | '''B310 Swap''' | ||
- | A14/A15 B310s have a larger brake than B110, these B310s use the same size as the largest B210 brakes. | + | A14/A15 B310s have a larger brake than B110, these B310s use a 245 mm disc, the same size as the largest B210 brakes. |
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=3891 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/3891.jpg] | + | |
<br>B310 on left, B110 on right | <br>B310 on left, B110 on right | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|3891}} | ||
- | See main article: [[B310 Strut Swap]] | + | {{Main|B310 Strut Swap}} |
== Stanza == | == Stanza == | ||
- | Australia-assembled Stanza (1978-1981) is a beefier version of the B110/B210/B310 suspension but with beefy PBR brakes ... so the parts fit with only small modifications. | + | Australia-assembled Stanza (1980-1981) is a version of B310 suspension but with beefy Girlock calipers (on the later Stanza) ... so the parts fit with only small modifications. |
+ | |||
+ | {{Main|Stanza Strut Swap}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | == 280ZX Struts == | ||
+ | Keep the lightweight 1200 struts! No machining required. | ||
+ | |||
+ | {{Main|280ZX Brake Upgrade}} | ||
- | See main article: [[Stanza Strut Swap]] | ||
- | ==280ZX Struts & Brakes == | ||
1979-1982 280ZX (S130) front strut/brake conversion: | 1979-1982 280ZX (S130) front strut/brake conversion: | ||
* 10" vented rotors | * 10" vented rotors | ||
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* Better than Z-car (S30) parts, because it has the correct camber angle. And can fit under some 13" wheels, while 240Z/260Z/280Z requires 14" wheels | * Better than Z-car (S30) parts, because it has the correct camber angle. And can fit under some 13" wheels, while 240Z/260Z/280Z requires 14" wheels | ||
- | See main article: [[280ZX Strut Swap]] | + | {{Main|280ZX Strut Swap}} |
This is nearly a bolt-in, using A10 (stanza, H510) or B310 (sunny) lower control arms, steering arms, balljoints and outer tie rod ends. | This is nearly a bolt-in, using A10 (stanza, H510) or B310 (sunny) lower control arms, steering arms, balljoints and outer tie rod ends. | ||
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Nissan S13 model series (Silvia, 240SX, 180SX, 200SX) | Nissan S13 model series (Silvia, 240SX, 180SX, 200SX) | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=380295#forumpost380295 http://ddgonzal.members.winisp.net/getThumb.aspx?width=400&uri=http://datsun1200.com/uploads/newbb/thumbs/11688_4e4cd701bd0a9.jpg] | + | <br>{{UploadL|11688_4e4cd701bd0a9.jpg|300}} |
Nice smaller vented rotors and beefy single-pot calipers, fits over 14" wheels (13"?). Adds ~30mm to the track. | Nice smaller vented rotors and beefy single-pot calipers, fits over 14" wheels (13"?). Adds ~30mm to the track. | ||
- | == S13 brakes on B210 disc-brake Struts == | + | {{Main|S13 Strut Swap}} |
- | The Silvia S13, S14 centre bore is 68mm and the 1200 hub is 70mm at the disk seat. But the Silvia disk has a huge backspacing compared to the 1200 disk. Perhaps 2mm need to be machined off? custom adaptor plates for the caliper are also needed. | + | |
- | + | ||
- | You need an adaptor plate for the the calipers. | + | |
- | + | ||
- | You may need to swap the struts right-to-left and left-to-right to clear the steering arms. Also, mount the calipers INBOARD for better weight distribution. | + | |
- | + | ||
- | '78 120y struts discs and calipers cos they're an aussie assembled PBR product. | + | |
- | i aslo swapped the struts left to right to clear the steering arms once i put silvia rotors and calipers in place. [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=16197&forum=1 low1000] | + | |
- | + | ||
- | Optional: use Hilux 4-pot calipers, which only involve the elongation of one bolt hole with a round file and then bolt straight up over 180SX discs. These are similar to [[MK63]] calipers but are cast iron instead of alloy. | + | |
- | + | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=13907 http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/13907.jpg] | + | |
- | + | ||
- | Wise words from Bundy351: I am running 120y struts in my 1200 ute. On these struts I have a Kev Rowley Brake adaptor plate (about $100 for the pair) Rotors, calipers, calliper bolts (2 per caliper) and wheel studs from a 1989 nissan silvia. You also need the flexi brake hose (mine came off a 1995 corolla cause thats all I could find). Very simple conversion. | + | |
- | * MACHINE THE OUTER DIAMETER OF THE HUBS DOWN SO THE ROTOR WILL SLIDE OVER IT (150mm FROM MEMORY BUT I HAVE HAD ALLOT OF RUM SINCE I DID CONVERSION) PREFERABLY USE A LATHE BUT YOU CAN USE A GRINDER. | + | |
- | * KNOCK OUT 120Y STUDS AND BANG IN SILVIA ONES | + | |
- | * CUT A 10mm SLOT IN THE HOSE MOUNT ON THE STRUT TUBE (LITTLE METAL TAB THE BRAKE HOSE SITS IN) | + | |
- | * BOLT BRACKETS TO STRUTS | + | |
- | * SLIDE ROTORS ON | + | |
- | * BOLT CALIPERS ON WITH PADS | + | |
- | * CONNECT HOSES | + | |
- | * BLEED | + | |
- | * RE-FIT WHEELS | + | |
- | * TEST DRIVE | + | |
- | + | ||
- | WHERE TO CUT THE 10mm SLOT | + | |
- | + | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/11894.jpg http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/11894.jpg] | + | |
- | + | ||
- | WHAT THE BRACKET LOOKS LIKE | + | |
- | + | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/11895.jpg http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/11895.jpg] | + | |
- | + | ||
- | FINISHED PRODUCT | + | |
- | + | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/11896.jpg http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photos/thumbs/11896.jpg] | + | |
- | + | ||
- | = TRD = | + | |
- | TRD struts are often used on 1200s. See how-to pictorial on strut shortening: [http://www.club4ag.com/faq_and_tech_pages/Short%20Stroke%20Conversion.htm TRD Race Height Suspension Conversion Guide]. | + | |
= Less Popular Swaps = | = Less Popular Swaps = | ||
== Z-car == | == Z-car == | ||
- | car: 240Z/260Z/280Z (Datsun model series S30 chassis code) | + | car: [[Fairlady]] 240Z/260Z/280Z (Datsun model series S30 chassis code) |
+ | |||
+ | This is not a good swap, because it adds positive camber (and you want negative camber for performance): | ||
- | This is not a good swap, because it adds positive camber: | + | Kingpin Inclination |
+ | * 240Z: 5° nominal | ||
+ | * B110: 8° nominal | ||
- | Kingpin Inclination | ||
- | * 240Z: 5° nominal | ||
- | * B110: 8° nominal | ||
Instead, do the 280ZX swap. | Instead, do the 280ZX swap. | ||
+ | |||
+ | 240Z is also not a good swap because they use an extra-wide bolt pattern where the strut connects to the knuckle arm. | ||
Data Points | Data Points | ||
* Add adustable camber strut tops to bring it back to 0 camber | * Add adustable camber strut tops to bring it back to 0 camber | ||
- | * 240Z brakes on 1200 Strut. This involves welding, and fabricating new parts. See [http://datsun1200.com/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=10 Datsun 1200 Competition Suspension Manual] | + | * 240Z brakes on 1200 Strut. This involves welding, and fabricating new parts. See [[Datsun 1200 Competition Suspension Manual]] |
* For stiffer spring rate, use 280ZX rear coil spring on Z-car strut on front of B110 | * For stiffer spring rate, use 280ZX rear coil spring on Z-car strut on front of B110 | ||
- | *: see [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20569&forum=1 stiffer suspension] | + | *: see [{{Post|101933}} stiffer suspension] |
+ | |||
+ | retrorally used a cut-n-weld method to lessen the positive camber | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|21869}} {{Album|21870}} {{Album|21871}} {{Album|21872}} {{Album|21873}} {{Album|21874}} | ||
== 610 == | == 610 == | ||
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This is not a conversion for someone without a mig welder and a workshop. The springs are larger diameter in the 180B. They will NOT fit in the 1200 strut tower. You will have to remove the spring perches, and weld on stanza or 1200 ones. Stanza ones are better because the Stanza strut tube diameter is the same as 180B. You will also need to swap the top of the struts too, including the mount, 1200 springs and thrust bearing. | This is not a conversion for someone without a mig welder and a workshop. The springs are larger diameter in the 180B. They will NOT fit in the 1200 strut tower. You will have to remove the spring perches, and weld on stanza or 1200 ones. Stanza ones are better because the Stanza strut tube diameter is the same as 180B. You will also need to swap the top of the struts too, including the mount, 1200 springs and thrust bearing. | ||
- | discussion: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=13622&forum=1 Installing 180b struts] | + | discussion: [{{Post|57201}} Installing 180b struts] |
NOTE: PB210 and USA B210s use 610 parts. 1967-1973 510 also may be the same. | NOTE: PB210 and USA B210s use 610 parts. 1967-1973 510 also may be the same. | ||
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200B Calipers | 200B Calipers | ||
- | <br>[http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=593 http://datsun1200.com/uploads/thumbs/593.jpg] | + | <br>{{Album|593}} |
Because the 810 struts are Datsun 2" struts, use 2" strut-accepting package. | Because the 810 struts are Datsun 2" struts, use 2" strut-accepting package. | ||
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Model series 910 a.k.a. Datsun 810, Datsun Maxima, Nissan Bluebird | Model series 910 a.k.a. Datsun 810, Datsun Maxima, Nissan Bluebird | ||
- | Nissan 910 is named "Maxima" or Bluebird. These struts fit the usual A10/B310 lower parts -- except you need a 5x3 mm ring (? diameter) to properly seat them. And use the Sunny strut tops. | + | 910 struts fit the usual A10/B310 lower parts -- except you need a 5x3 mm ring (30mm diameter) to properly seat them. And use the Sunny strut tops. |
- | The usual lowering mods are needed: | + | Roll Center Adjusters with R30-R31 locating ring |
+ | <br>{{Album|27000}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | The usual strut-swap mods are needed: | ||
* A10 [[SAP]] (lower bits) | * A10 [[SAP]] (lower bits) | ||
- | * shortening | + | * [[Shortening struts|shortening the struts]] depending on how low you want the car |
- | * moving the spring seat and/or lowering springs/cut springs | + | * [[Fastening Spring Seats|moving the spring seat]] and/or [[Lowering|lowering springs/cut springs]] |
+ | |||
+ | Bluebird struts with custom brakes | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|22844}} {{Album|22845}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Bluebird struts | ||
+ | <br>{{Album|5918}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | Bluebird strut with King Springs | ||
+ | <br>{{Upload|11906_4f8785375188f.jpg}} | ||
+ | |||
+ | == Mitsubishi Lancer == | ||
+ | {{Main|Lancer strut swap}} | ||
== Subaru == | == Subaru == | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=84 Subaru rotors & calipers] | + | Subaru rotors & calipers |
+ | <br>{{Album|84}} | ||
== Skyline R30, R31 == | == Skyline R30, R31 == | ||
- | Most likely, you would have to change the whole strut assembly, which will require B310 or A10 (Stanza) control arms, balljoints and such. | + | Most likely, you would have to change the whole strut assembly, which will require control arms, balljoints and such from late 1200, B310 or A10 (Stanza). |
* Has the wrong spindle again, resulting in increased camber (positive camber, not good) | * Has the wrong spindle again, resulting in increased camber (positive camber, not good) | ||
* The Skyline R31 strut does not exactly fit on a B310/A10 arm, so a small ring spacer needs to be machined up. | * The Skyline R31 strut does not exactly fit on a B310/A10 arm, so a small ring spacer needs to be machined up. | ||
- | * Fits perfectly with 15x6.5 rims with a 38 mm offset | + | * Fit over 14" rims. Some 13s may fit also |
+ | * Fits perfectly with 6.5 rims with a 38 mm offset | ||
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+ | R31 fitted to Datsun 1200 | ||
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+ | R30 | ||
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+ | == TRD == | ||
+ | TRD struts are often used on 1200s. See how-to pictorial on strut shortening: {{web|www.club4ag.com/faq_and_tech_pages/Short%20Stroke%20Conversion.htm|TRD Race Height Suspension Conversion Guide}}. | ||
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+ | AE86 struts can be used with a strut-to-[[Knuckle Arm|knuckle arm]] adapter (which also doubles as an [[RCA]]): | ||
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= Suspension Principles = | = Suspension Principles = | ||
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*: For 0 scrub radius, the tyre contact patch centre should be at the same point on the road surface as the extended strut axis from upper pivot through ball joint to the road surface | *: For 0 scrub radius, the tyre contact patch centre should be at the same point on the road surface as the extended strut axis from upper pivot through ball joint to the road surface | ||
- | Reference: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=10003&forum=1 Dropped my 1200 onto its new S13 front suspension] | + | Reference: [{{Post|33590}} Dropped my 1200 onto its new S13 front suspension] |
= Unsprung Weight = | = Unsprung Weight = | ||
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180B steering arms may be shorter than A10. B210 large-size are shorter than A10. | 180B steering arms may be shorter than A10. B210 large-size are shorter than A10. | ||
- | [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=18268&forum=1 Grunterhunter]:<blockquote>stanza steering arms are longer (146mm) than the 120y ones (138mm) ...This will give a slower steering response ...Total strut length for both the stanza and 120y, from the surface of the strut hat(?) that bolts into the tower, to the bottom of the strut where the steering arm bolts on, is 660 mm. The stanza struts are longer in total, because the bearing goes up through the tower (like the 1200), whereas the 120y sit flush.</blockquote> | + | <blockquote>[{{Post|86353}} Grunterhunter]: stanza steering arms are longer (146mm) than the 120y ones (138mm) ...This will give a slower steering response ...Total strut length for both the stanza and 120y, from the surface of the strut hat(?) that bolts into the tower, to the bottom of the strut where the steering arm bolts on, is 660 mm. The stanza struts are longer in total, because the bearing goes up through the tower (like the 1200), whereas the 120y sit flush.</blockquote> |
- | Also see discussion: [http://datsun1200.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=20672&forum=1 Shorter steering arms (stanza alternative)] | + | Also see discussion: [{{Post|102747}} Shorter steering arms (stanza alternative)] |
For modified 1200/120Y quick steering arms modified to take a larger strut, see [[Knuckle Arm]]. | For modified 1200/120Y quick steering arms modified to take a larger strut, see [[Knuckle Arm]]. | ||
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- | = Datsun 1000 = | ||
- | gary hamilton managed to squeeze RX7 4spots on his 1000 sport sedan which uses 13" wheels, but don't ask me how! http://datsun1200.com/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=1372 | ||
= Photos = | = Photos = | ||
- | See: [[Strut photo index]] | + | {{Main|Strut photo index}} |
[[Category:Suspension Modifications]] | [[Category:Suspension Modifications]] | ||
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Current revision
Just about anything can and has been used! Brake and strut assemblies from Fiat to Ford have been fitted to 1200s.
Contents |
Overview
Reasons to swap struts:
- To swap from front drum brake to front disc brakes (a must-do)
- To fit bigger brakes
- To lower car (and still permit sufficient suspension travel)
- To allow greater choice of high-performance strut shock inserts
Brake Comparo: 9.5" disks of the B310 vs. 8.5" disks of the 1200
Counterpoint: There are some good reasons not to change your struts.
- The stock struts are very light, which is good for acceleration and susension control (unsprung weight)
- They also have a good damping qualities for the smoothest ride
- You can lower/shorten the stock struts
- You can fit different spring rates to the stock struts
- Less work to keep them. Less expensive to keep them
- You can fit very large brakes to stock 1200 struts. See Brake Upgrades
- Most swaps increase the offset. Stock struts won't do this
This article focuses on swapping struts. For simpler brake upgrades, see Brake Swaps. For general information on better brakes, see Brake Swaps.
Nissan Strut Swaps
- For general information about 1200/120Y strut swaps, see 1200 and 120Y Strut and Brake Upgrades
- For specific swaps see the details below
Mods Needed
With any swap, use the 1200 strut tops (not the tops from the donor car) with the 1200 upper spring seat.
Only B110, 120Y and B310 are bolt-in strut swaps for the 1200.
All other require some modification. The usual strut-swap mods are needed:
- A strut-accepting package of parts. The A10 SAP (lower bits) works with many 2.0" struts
- shortening the struts depending on how low you want the car
- moving the spring seat and/or lowering springs/cut springs
These are NOT required:
- aftermarket coilovers
- camber plates
Coilover conversion
With stock Datsun 1200 struts or upgraded struts, you have the option to use the stock coilover configuration (which can be lowered), or convert them to aftermarket small-diameter coilover springs. Advantages include:
- Many spring rates are available for customizing
- If using small-diameter springs, you gain:
- more room to move the strut inward for extra negative Camber
- more room for tires, or wider tires
Stock springs can be lowered and different size and rates of spring are available, so there is no advantage there to the small-diameter springs.
Turnkey Strut Packages
Datsport
200B budget strut/brake package $1695 AUD/pair☁
Struts are 200B or stanza shortened & remachined to take heavy duty 25% uprated 300ZX KYB inserts. Fitted with adjustable platforms and DATSPORT custom hi-tensile 250lb pro sport springs. Progressive urethane bump stops fit neatly into the top spring hat. A budget strut to suit 1200,120Y, Sunny, Stanza, 180B, 200B & 510/1600. Designed to take 13" rims for that sleeper look.
R31 struts with Z 4-pot calipers $2990 AUD/pair☁ for 15" wheels
Maddat
Maddat parts for 1200
Shortened 200B struts fitted with KYB inserts, 250lb lowered king springs & bump stops. WITHOUT BRAKES $1400 AUD/pair☁
BRAKES for above: 280mm vented disc rotors, RX7 S6 Calipers (new seal kits fitted), adaptor brackets, bolts, washers. wheel bearing kits, new rubber lines. Kit is designed to fit 200B or late Stanza struts. $1265 AUD/pair☁
Popular conversions using Datsun donor parts
- B310 strut swap brake upgrade. A great bolt on. Larger brakes.
- 280ZX strut swap brake upgrade. Great for lowered cars, or racing with its big vented brakes. Requires cutting the spring cup and fitting the 1200 spring cup
- A10 (1978-1982 510/Stanza) Strut swap brake upgrade. Very large brakes possible.
A no-machining/no-cutting/no-welding solution is the 280ZX brakes on stock 1200 strut. See 280ZX Brake Upgrade.
1200 Disc-brake Strut Swap
B110 "Standard" models used front drum brakes (most Aussie sedans are STD models). You can simply bolt the disc-brake struts together with brake assembly directly onto a STD car. You will also need the master cylinder and brake lines. All coupes came with disc brakes.
120Y Strut Swap
1. Japan-built 120Y (A12-powered B210)
For the Australia market 120Y, the bare strut is the same for the 1200 coupe & the 120Y [Australia built sedans excepted] and so are the disc brakes. Springs too if i'm not mistaken, so these parts will provide you with a stock upgrade, but use the 1200's upper spring seat [the bit that bolts to the body] to avoid raising the front. The hub may have a slightly different offset.
1974-1975 * small spindle/large bearing/212 mm rotor 1976-1978 * large spindle/small bearing/220 mm rotor
2. Australian-assembled 120Y uses PBR caliper and adapter plate
Late model 120Y with PBR brakes pull up hard!! For a CA18DET conversion 120Y or 1200 coupe struts & discs are legally sufficient and have great stopping capablities, just not repeatedly in a short period of time the 120Y Brakes have suprised us a couple of times as to how well they stop. See POST Time to get this datto stopping and turning!
The basic swap process is exactly the same as 1200 Disc Brake Swap.
For more information on the brakes used by late Aussie-spec 120Y, see Brakes#120Y
B210, B310
B210 or B310 with 13" wheels - add bigger brakes (245 mm, up from the 1200's 212 mm), this is the easiest upgrade, but are still light in performance compared to modern cars. Good for street use, and can be modified for racing use. They are almost as big as S13 brakes, but are solid (non-vented) for light weight.
NOTE: Datsun 1200 (B110) uses 45mm diameter strut tubes, while HB210/HB310 uses 2.0" (as with almost all other Datsuns). This means the strut itself is not interchangeble with B110, but as a whole assembly it can be done.
Rotor SizesDia. (mm) | Part Number | Source |
212.5 | 40206-H1006 | B110, B210 with A12 1974, 1975 |
220 (AN18) | 40206-H7500 | B210 A12 1976-1978,B310 with 12" wheels |
232 | 40206-A1155 | B210 A13, PB110?, PB210 early? |
245 (AN20) | 40206-U6700 | B210 A14, B310 A14/A15, PB210 late? |
You can swap USA HB210 struts onto a 1200, to get larger brakes. Use the 1200 spring.
B210 (1974-1978)
- B210 with A12 & A13 engine have larger strut/brake assemblies that will fit under 12" wheels
- If you are moving to 13" wheels, do the B310 swap instead for even better brakes for no extra work
- Australian built 120Y's from July 1976 used a completely diferent disc brake setup. 1976-1978 120Y struts use an Aussie-sourced PBR caliper, same as Mitusbishi Sigma
- reference: Marty's 120Y brake swap☁
B310 Swap
A14/A15 B310s have a larger brake than B110, these B310s use a 245 mm disc, the same size as the largest B210 brakes.
B310 on left, B110 on right
Stanza
Australia-assembled Stanza (1980-1981) is a version of B310 suspension but with beefy Girlock calipers (on the later Stanza) ... so the parts fit with only small modifications.
280ZX Struts
Keep the lightweight 1200 struts! No machining required.
1979-1982 280ZX (S130) front strut/brake conversion:
- 10" vented rotors
- solid, single-piston caliper
- shorter strut height
- will clear certain 13" wheels
- decrease in track allows wider wheels/tires
- Better than Z-car (S30) parts, because it has the correct camber angle. And can fit under some 13" wheels, while 240Z/260Z/280Z requires 14" wheels
This is nearly a bolt-in, using A10 (stanza, H510) or B310 (sunny) lower control arms, steering arms, balljoints and outer tie rod ends.
S13
Nissan S13 model series (Silvia, 240SX, 180SX, 200SX)
Nice smaller vented rotors and beefy single-pot calipers, fits over 14" wheels (13"?). Adds ~30mm to the track.
Less Popular Swaps
Z-car
car: Fairlady 240Z/260Z/280Z (Datsun model series S30 chassis code)
This is not a good swap, because it adds positive camber (and you want negative camber for performance):
Kingpin Inclination * 240Z: 5° nominal * B110: 8° nominal
Instead, do the 280ZX swap.
240Z is also not a good swap because they use an extra-wide bolt pattern where the strut connects to the knuckle arm.
Data Points
- Add adustable camber strut tops to bring it back to 0 camber
- 240Z brakes on 1200 Strut. This involves welding, and fabricating new parts. See Datsun 1200 Competition Suspension Manual
- For stiffer spring rate, use 280ZX rear coil spring on Z-car strut on front of B110
retrorally used a cut-n-weld method to lessen the positive camber
610
Datsun model series 610 is marketed as 610, 180B, or Bluebird U.
This is not a conversion for someone without a mig welder and a workshop. The springs are larger diameter in the 180B. They will NOT fit in the 1200 strut tower. You will have to remove the spring perches, and weld on stanza or 1200 ones. Stanza ones are better because the Stanza strut tube diameter is the same as 180B. You will also need to swap the top of the struts too, including the mount, 1200 springs and thrust bearing.
discussion: POST Installing 180b struts
NOTE: PB210 and USA B210s use 610 parts. 1967-1973 510 also may be the same.
810
Datsun model series 810 (1977-1980) was marketed as Bluebird, or as 200B in right-hand-drive export markets.
Because the 810 struts are Datsun 2" struts, use 2" strut-accepting package.
2" strut support from large-B310/late-B210/late-B120: * Knuckle Arm * Balljoint * LCA
You can use the stock 810 brakes, or fit/modify other brakes to it.
For example, shortened 810 Struts with 280z strut cartridge inserts, 300zx rotors with Toyota 4piston calipers
front crossmember is a stock 80 210 [North America B310] piece.810 Struts I belive are the same lenght as 210 but they have large spring perches and a different Caliper bolt pattern. They are also the same geometry and bolt to the same lower ball joint. Mine have been shortened to exept the 280z front shocks and the small 210 perches Have been welded on. Once you have done this they will bolt in using the 210 springs and upper bearings. At least a 79-82 210 I'm not sure about earlier models. The brake Calipers will the bolt on(89 toyota 4X4 Pickup). The rotors are 300zx turned down appx. 1/8" Mounted on 280zx Front hubs with a rotor spacer. The only problem with this setup is you must run a 1/4" wheel spacer so the 300zx wheels don't hit the struts. I'm currently looking for a sulution to this But until then the spacers work fine. It's really not as hard as it sounds. I enjoy answering your questions and am looking forward to more!!
Good Luck;
SunnyGX
910
Model series 910 a.k.a. Datsun 810, Datsun Maxima, Nissan Bluebird
910 struts fit the usual A10/B310 lower parts -- except you need a 5x3 mm ring (30mm diameter) to properly seat them. And use the Sunny strut tops.
Roll Center Adjusters with R30-R31 locating ring
The usual strut-swap mods are needed:
- A10 SAP (lower bits)
- shortening the struts depending on how low you want the car
- moving the spring seat and/or lowering springs/cut springs
Bluebird struts with custom brakes
Bluebird strut with King Springs
Mitsubishi Lancer
Subaru
Skyline R30, R31
Most likely, you would have to change the whole strut assembly, which will require control arms, balljoints and such from late 1200, B310 or A10 (Stanza).
- Has the wrong spindle again, resulting in increased camber (positive camber, not good)
- The Skyline R31 strut does not exactly fit on a B310/A10 arm, so a small ring spacer needs to be machined up.
- Fit over 14" rims. Some 13s may fit also
- Fits perfectly with 6.5 rims with a 38 mm offset
TRD
TRD struts are often used on 1200s. See how-to pictorial on strut shortening: TRD Race Height Suspension Conversion Guide☁.
AE86 struts can be used with a strut-to-knuckle arm adapter (which also doubles as an RCA):
Suspension Principles
Important considerations:
- Bump Steer
- It literally causes the car to turn one directly or another when you go over bumps. Not so good, but in small amounts can be acceptable. Some factory car setups have a little bumpsteer, so it's OK but not ideal.
- To prevent bumpsteer, the bottom lower control arm needs to be the same length as the steering arm. This is because of the relationship of the arcs described by the lower control arm vs the steering arm. If the arm pivots are not concentric, you generate bump steer when there is vertical suspension movement.
- Moving the holes in the crossmember outwards may mean you end up with a steering arm longer than the suspension arm, resulting in bumpsteer that you cant fix with spacers.
- Instead, to gain more negative Camber, consider moving the top of the strut inwards to give yourself more camber. It doesnt give you as much increased track, but wont mess your bumpsteer around as much.
- For increased track width, consider using modified (longer) steering arms with your longer lower control arm.
- Road Racing: with the high spring rates and limited suspension travel involved, having a little bumpsteer is not as critical as on say a gravel or offroad racing car.
- Scrub Radius
- You can make small changes to scrub radius with positive results to steering behaviour, but like a lot of things a little can be good and a little bit more disastrous!
- For 0 scrub radius, the tyre contact patch centre should be at the same point on the road surface as the extended strut axis from upper pivot through ball joint to the road surface
Reference: POST Dropped my 1200 onto its new S13 front suspension
Unsprung Weight
Car performance is all a matter of balance. The harder it goes, the harder you need to be able to stop. This increased stopping power comes at a price, and that seems to be increased mass of the unsprung weight.
Road cars usually travel slower than race cars and ride quality is more important, so a lighter brake/suspension could be justified. It's all a matter of balance.
Others don't mind a rougher ride as long as it corners better with less dive under braking and less body roll. But this is potentially disastrous for a race car running at 10/10ths grip.
The good news is that you have large brakes AND lightweight suspension -- by upgrading to large brakes on the stock 1200 struts or 120Y stuts. See Brake Swaps for details.
I remember talk about S13 calipers and rotors on a 120Y strut, which is some pretty serious braking power - well above that offered by a set of girlocks on the Stanza strut - meaning maybe it's possible to get a whole lot of braking power out of a 120Y strut....which would mean top brakes and lower unsprung weight!
Short-ratio Steering Arms
The problem with most strut swaps (except 1200 or 120Y struts) is that they will make your steering slower. Some guys don't mind this, but if you to retain the faster steering read on.
180B steering arms may be shorter than A10. B210 large-size are shorter than A10.
POST Grunterhunter: stanza steering arms are longer (146mm) than the 120y ones (138mm) ...This will give a slower steering response ...Total strut length for both the stanza and 120y, from the surface of the strut hat(?) that bolts into the tower, to the bottom of the strut where the steering arm bolts on, is 660 mm. The stanza struts are longer in total, because the bearing goes up through the tower (like the 1200), whereas the 120y sit flush.
Also see discussion: POST Shorter steering arms (stanza alternative)
For modified 1200/120Y quick steering arms modified to take a larger strut, see Knuckle Arm.